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ZEVACHIM 84 (4 Elul) - dedicated l'Iluy Nishmas Chaim Yissachar (ben Yaakov)
Smulewitz of Cleveland on his Yahrzeit, by his children, Moish Smulevitz,
Jeri Turkel, Marcia Weinblatt and families.
1) DO WE TAKE DOWN "MENACHOS" AND "NESACHIM"?
(a) (Reish Lakish): All (Tana'im of our Mishnah) agree that
if a Minchah (which is totally burned, e.g. Nedavah of
Minchas Nesachim) is brought by itself, Lo Yered;
2) WHICH "PESULIM" ARE "BA'KODESH"?
1. R. Akiva and R. Yosi ha'Galili say Yered;
(b) If such a Minchah is brought with a Korban:
1. R. Gamliel and R. Yehoshua say Lo Yered, the others
(c) If a Nedavah of Nesachim (e.g. wine) is brought by
1. R. Gamliel and R. Shimon say Lo Yered, the others
(d) If Nesachim are brought with a Korban:
1. R. Gamliel says Lo Yered, the others say Yered.
(e) Objection: All this is obvious!
(f) Answer #1: The Chidush is (in the first clause,) Rava's
1. (Rava): One may bring Minchas Nesachim (by itself)
(g) Objection: If so, Reish Lakish should have taught only
(h) Answer #2: The Chidush is (in the last clause,) regarding
Menachos and Nesachim brought with a Korban, when they
are brought on a later day;
1. "Minchasam...v'Niskeihem" - the Minchah and Nesech
accompanying a Korban may be brought at night or the
2. One might have thought, when they are brought later,
it is as if they are brought by themselves, and R.
Shimon would say Lo Yered - Reish Lakish teaches,
this is not so.
(a) (Mishnah): If Kodesh became Pasul on account of any of
the following, if Alah, Lo Yered:
1. Linah (it was not offered within the proper time),
Yotzei (it left its permitted place), Tamei,
slaughter (with intent) Chutz li'Zmano or Chutz
li'Mkomo, Pesulim did Kabalah and Zerikah (was
(b) R. Yehudah says, if it was slaughtered at night, or the
blood spilled, or the blood left the Azarah, even if they
were brought up, Yered;
(c) R. Shimon says, Lo Yered;
1. R. Shimon says, any Pesul b'Kodesh (Rashi - it
became Pasul after it was brought into the Azarah;
Tosfos - after slaughter, or perhaps after Kabalah)
is accepted (Lo Yered).
(d) The following Pesulim are not b'Kodesh:
1. Rove'a and Nirva (an animal that had relations with
a person), Muktzeh (an animal designated for
idolatry), Ne'evad (one that was worshipped), Mechir
(an animal sold for a dog), Esnan (wages of a
harlot), Kilayim (a crossbreed), Treifah, Yotzei
Dofen, and Ba'al Mum;
(e) Just like if Alu, Lo Yerdu, if they were taken down, Lo
Ya'alu (they are not brought back up).
2. R. Akiva is Machshir a Ba'al Mum (Lo Yered).
3. R. Chanina Segan ha'Kohanim says, my father would
push Ba'alei Mumim off the Mizbe'ach.
(f) If any of them (this will be explained) were brought up,
(g) Similarly, if an Olah was brought up alive, Yered;
1. If it was slaughtered on the Mizbe'ach, it is flayed
and dissected on the Mizbe'ach.
(h) (Gemara - Beraisa - R. Yehudah): "Zos Hi...*ha*'Olah" -
these are three exclusions, to exclude a Korban
slaughtered at night, or the blood spilled, or the blood
left the Azarah - even if Alu, Yered;
(i) R. Shimon says "Olah" - this only teaches that a Kosher
Olah is offered;
1. Question: What is the source to include a Korban
Nifsal on account of the following?
i. Slaughter at night, the blood spilled or left
the Azarah, Linah, Yotzei, Tum'ah, Chutz
li'Zmano, Chutz li'Mkomo, Pesulim did Kabalah
and Zerikah (was done), the blood was put above
(on the top half of the Mizbe'ach) instead of
below or vice-versa, the blood was put on the
inner Mizbe'ach instead of the outer Mizbe'ach
or vice-versa, a Pesach or Chatas slaughtered
2. Answer: "Toras ha'Olah" - there is one law for all
Kodshim that came up, Lo Yered.
3. Suggestion: Perhaps we include Rove'a, Nirva,
Muktzeh, Ne'evad, Mechir, Esnan, Kilayim, Treifah,
and Yotzei Dofen!
4. Rejection: "Zos" excludes these.
5. Question: (The verses that include and exclude do
not specify what to include or exclude -) why do we
include the former and exclude the latter, and not
6. Answer: We include Pesulim b'Kodesh and exclude
Pesulim that are not b'Kodesh.
(j) R. Yehudah (agrees with R. Shimon except for the three
cases R. Yehudah specified) - he learns as follows:
1. (Beraisa): Linah of blood is 'Kosher' (i.e. if Alah,
Lo Yered), for Eimurim are Kosher after Linah;
(k) Objection: Can we learn something done improperly (Linah
of Eimurim, or Yotzei) from something proper (Linah of
meat, or Yotzei on a Bamah)?!
2. Eimurim are Kosher after Linah because meat (e.g. of
a Shelamim) is permitted after Linah.
3. Yotzei is Kosher, because this is permitted on a
4. Tamei is Kosher, because this is permitted in
Korbanos Tzibur (if they cannot be offered
5. Chutz li'Zmano is Kosher, because Zerikah of such
blood is Meratzeh (like a proper Zerikah) regarding
Pigul (Kares applies only if all the Matirim were
offered without any Pesul other than Chutz
6. Chutz li'Mkomo is Kosher, because the Torah equates
it to Chutz li'Zmano;
7. If Pesulim did Kabalah and Zerikah (was done), the
blood and Eimurim are Kosher - this is if the
Pesulim are Kosher for Korbanos Tzibur (e.g.
(l) Answer: Indeed, the Tana relies on "Zos Toras ha'Olah"
(to include these).