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ZEVACHIM 58 - Dedicated to the leaders and participants in the Dafyomi
shiurim at the Young Israel of New Rochelle, by Andy & Nancy Neff
***** PEREK KODSHEI KODOSHIM ****
1) SLAUGHTER ON TOP OF THE "MIZBE'ACH"
(a) (Mishnah - R. Yosi): If Kodshei Kodoshim were slaughtered
on top of the Mizbe'ach, they are (Kosher,) as if they
were slaughtered in the Tzafon;
2) THE LOCATION OF THE "MIZBE'ACH"
(b) R. Yosi b'Rebbi Yehudah says, the southern half of the
Mizbe'ach is like Darom, the northern half is like
(c) (Gemara - Rav Asi citing R. Yochanan): R. Yosi holds that
the entire Mitzvah is in Tzafon.
(d) Question: If so, why does it says that it is *as if* they
were slaughtered in the Tzafon - they truly were
slaughtered in the Tzafon!
(e) Answer: One might have thought that on top of the
Mizbe'ach is invalid, it is not considered "Al Yerech
ha'Mizbe'ach" - R. Yosi teaches that this is not so.
(f) Question (R. Zeira): If so, R. Yosi b'Rebbi Yehudah would
say that half of the Mizbe'ach is in Tzafon!
1. Suggestion: Perhaps this is true!
(g) Answer (Rav Asi): R. Yochanan said that both Tana'im
expound the same verse:
2. Rejection: You (Rav Asi) yourself cited R. Yochanan
to say that R. Yosi b'Rebbi Yehudah admits that
Kodshei Kodoshim slaughtered in the place
corresponding (to the north half of the Mizbe'ach)
on the ground are Pesulim!
1. "V'Zavachta Alav (on the Mizbe'ach) Es Olosecha v'Ee
Shelamecha" - R. Yosi explains, the entire Mizbe'ach
is valid for slaughtering Olaos and Shelamim;
(h) (Rav Asi citing R. Yochanan): R. Yosi b'Rebbi Yehudah
admits that Kodshei Kodoshim slaughtered in the
corresponding place on the ground are Pesulim.
2. R. Yosi b'Rebbi Yehudah explains, half the Mizbe'ach
is valid (even) for Olah, half is valid (only) for
i. If all of it was valid for Olah, the verse
should have taught only Olah, a Kal va'Chomer
would teaches that it is valid for Shelamim!
ii. R. Yosi disagrees - one might have thought, the
Torah is lenient to allow slaughtering Olah on
the Mizbe'ach because the place to slaughter it
below (Tzafon) is limited, but it is not
lenient to allow Shelamim which can be
slaughtered anywhere in the Azarah.
(i) Question (Rav Acha mi'Difti): What does it mean 'the
corresponding place on the ground'?
1. Suggestion: It means the Amah (thickness) of the
Yesod or Sovev.
(j) Answer (Ravina): It means, if the Mizbe'ach was later
shortened, and he slaughtered on the ground where the
Mizbe'ach used to be.
2. Rejection #1: They are parts of the Mizbe'ach
3. Rejection #2: They are not on the ground!
4. Suggestion: Slaughter was in a tunnel dug under the
5. Rejection:"Mizbach Adamah Ta'aseh Li" - it must be
connected to the ground, do not build it over
tunnels and arches.
(a) (R. Zeira): Surely, R. Yochanan derived his teaching (c)
from a Mishnah!
1. (Mishnah #1): They would pick nice fig wood for the
second Ma'arachah, from which coals were taken for
the Ketores near the southwest corner of the
Mizbe'ach, four Amos north of the corner.
2. They would take (by estimation) five Sa'im of coals,
and on Shabbos, eight Sa'im;
i. That is where the frankincense of the Lechem
ha'Panim was burned.
3. Question: Why were the coals taken from here?
4. Answer: The Mishnah is R. Yosi;
5. (Beraisa - R. Yosi): Whatever is taken from inside
to be put outside is put in the closest possible
place; whatever is taken from outside to be put
inside is taken from the closest possible place.
(b) Rejection #1 (Rav Ada bar Ahavah): Mishnah #1 is like R.
Yehudah (we cannot infer R. Yosi's opinion from it).
6. Question #1: 'Whatever is taken from inside...' -
what does this refer to?
i. Suggestion: It refers to Shirayim (of inner
7. Question #2: 'Whatever is taken from outside to be
put inside' - what does this refer to?
ii. Rejection: A verse explicitly teaches this -
"El Yesod Mizbach ha'Olah Asher Pesach Ohel
Mo'ed" (i.e. the western Yesod, which is
i. Suggestion: It refers to coals taken from the
outer Mizbe'ach for the Ketores of Yom Kipur.
8. Answer (to Question #1): The frankincense of the
Lechem ha'Panim is taken from inside and put on the
closest part of the Mizbe'ach - we learn from
ii. Rejection: A verse explicitly teaches this -
"V'Lakach Malei ha'Machtah...(mi'Lifne Hash-m,
i.e. from the part closest to the Heichal)"!
9. Answer (to Question #2): Coals for the Ketores every
day are taken from the part closest to the Heichal -
we learn from the coals on Yom Kipur.
10. Question: What does the Tana hold regarding the
location of the Mizbe'ach?
i. He cannot hold that it is entirely in Darom
(the south half of the Azarah, the north side
of the Mizbe'ach is in the middle of the
Azarah), for then the Ma'arachah would have to
be (at least) 27 Amos north of the corner (five
Amos from the north end, in order that it will
face the (end of) the opening of the Heichal,
five Amos south of the middle)!
11. Answer: Rather, he holds that it is entirely in
Tzafon - the Ma'arachah is as south as possible,
after the four Amos occupied by the Yesod, Sovev,
Keranos, and walkway of the Kohanim (each of these
is one Amah);
ii. Even if he holds that the Ulam has Kedushas
Heichal, and it suffices to face the (end of)
the opening of the Ulam (10 Amos south of the
middle), the Ma'arachah would have to be 22
Amos north (of the corner).
iii. He cannot hold that the Mizbe'ach is (16 Amos
further north than this, i.e. exactly) half in
Darom, half in Tzafon, for then the Ma'arachah
would have to be 11 Amos north;
iv. Even if the Ulam has Kedushas Heichal, the
Ma'arachah would have to be six Amos north.
i. It could not be even one more Amah to the
north, for the opening of the Heichal extends
only five Amos past the middle of the Azarah.
1. (Beraisa - R. Yehudah): The Mizbe'ach is centered
between Darom and Tzafon, 10 Amos face the opening
of the Heichal, 11 Amos of the Mizbe'ach extend past
this to Darom, and 11 towards Tzafon.
(c) Question: If so, he should require the Ma'arachah to be
11 Amos north (of the southern side of the Mizbe'ach), or
six Amos (if the Ulam has Kedushas Heichal)!
(d) Answer: The latter is correct - he counts four Amos
excluding the Yesod and Sovev, including them it is six
(e) Question: Rav Ada's rejection applies even if the Mishnah
is like R. Yosi, why did he establish it like R. Yehudah?
(f) Answer: R. Yehudah explicitly taught that the Mizbe'ach