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by R. Nosson Slifkin
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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TA'ANIS 6 & 7 - dedicated by Dovid and Zahava Rubner of Petach Tikva l'Iluy
Nishmas his late mother, Mrs. Seren Rubner. May Hashem grant all of her
offspring with joy, fulfillment, and all that they need!
1) YOREH AND MALKOSH
(a) "Yoreh" (the early rains) are so called because they
teach (Moreh) people to prepare for winter.
2) THE DATES OF YOREH AND MALKUSH
(b) Alternatively, they saturate (Marveh) the land.
(c) Alternatively, they descend gently (like gentle
1. Question: Perhaps Yoreh is harmful?
2. Answer: Just as Malkush (the late rains, mentioned
adjacently) are beneficial, so is Yoreh.
3. Question: Perhaps Malkush is harmful?
4. Answer: Just as Yoreh is beneficial, so is Malkush.
5. Question: But how do we know that Yoreh is beneficial?
6. Answer: A Pasuk states that Hashem will give Moreh as
(a) Yoreh falls in Cheshvan and Malkush in Nisan.
3) DIFFERENT RAINFALLS
1. Question: Perhaps Yoreh falls in Tishrei and Malkush
(b) "Malkush" is so called because, in the nation's
desperation for it, it crushes their stubbornness (Mol
2. Answer: The Pasuk states that Hashem will give it "in
its proper time."
(c) Alternate explanation: It causes the grain to fill out
(Memalei) in its stalks (Kasheha).
(d) Alternate explanation: It descends on the ears (Melilos)
and stalks (Kashin).
(e) (Beraisa) Yoreh falls in Cheshvan and Malkush in Nisan.
1. Question: Perhaps Yoreh falls in Kisleiv?
(f) (Beraisa) (R. Meir) Yoreh is in Cheshvan and Malkush in
2. Answer: Just as the Pasuk says that Malkush will fall
in its proper time, so will Yoreh.
(g) (Chachamim) Yoreh is in Kisleiv.
(h) Question: Who are these Chachamim?
(i) Answer: It is R. Yosi, as seen in the Beraisa:
1. The correct time for the first rainfall:
(j) (R. Chisda) The Halachah follows R. Yosi.
i. (R. Meir) The first part falls on the third of
Cheshvan, the middle part on the seventh, and
the last part on the seventeenth.
2. Similarly, R. Yosi ruled that those who fast in the
absence of rain do not do so until Rosh Chodesh
ii. (R. Yehudah) The first part falls on the
seventh, the middle part on the seventeenth,
and the last part on the twenty-third.
iii. (R. Yosi) The first part falls in the
seventeenth, the middle part on the
twenty-third, and the last part on the first of
(k) Ameimar understood R. Chisda to have said as follows:
1. We ask for rain on the third of Cheshvan.
2. (R. Gamliel) On the seventh.
3. (R. Chisda) The Halachah follows R. Gamliel.
(a) Question: According to whose opinion is the following
1. (R. Shimon b. Gamliel) Rain that fell for seven
consecutive days counts as the first, second and
(b) Answer: It follows R. Yosi (who holds that there is a
seven-day gap between each rainfall).
1. (R. Chisda) The Halachah follows R. Yosi.
(c) Question: We need to know the time for the first
rainfall, so that we can begin asking for it, and the
time for the third rainfall, so that we know when to
begin fasting if there has been no rain; but why do we
need to know the time for the second rainfall?
(d) Answer #1: For the purposes of Nedarim:
1. (Beraisa) Someone who makes a vow until the rains, is
bound until the second rainfall.
(e) Answer #2: For olives
4) TYPES OF RAIN
1. (Mishnah) A person is allowed to take his Leket,
Shikchah and Peyah once the "Nemushos" have been;
(f) Answer #3: To take short cuts through the fields of
others, which can be done until the second rainfall.
2. He may take his Peret and Olelos once the poor people
3. He may take his olives after the second rainfall.
i. Question: What are "Nemushos"?
ii. Answer (R. Yochanan) Old men on staffs.
iii. Alternate answer (Resh Lakish): Those who
collect after other have already collected.
(g) Answer #4: To remove produce of Shemittah:
1. (Mishnah) One may use and burn straw of Shemittah
until the second rainfall.
2. The reason is that the Pasuk says that you can use it
as long as there is produce still in the fields.
(a) Rainfall is called Reviyah because it fertilizes (Rova)
5) UNDESIRED RAIN
(b) (R. Yehudah) The rain is the husband of the land, as we
see in a Pasuk referring to the land giving birth.
(c) (R. Avahu) The first rainfall penetrates one Tefach into
the ground, the second makes the soil suitable for
sealing a cask.
(d) (R. Chisda) Rain that fell to this degree has not been
subjected to the punishment of stopping up the Heavens.
1. Rain that fell earlier in the day than that punishment
is read aloud (in Shema) shows that it is not
subject to it.
(e) (Abaye) This is only true if it fell before the evening
Shema, but not if it fell before the morning Shema:
(f) The morning clouds are worthless, as seen in a Pasuk.
(g) Question: Surely a folk saying has it that rain in the
morning means rain all day!?
(h) Answer: That is only when it pours down from a heavy
(a) (R. Yehuda) It is a good year if Teves is a widow (i.e.
6) BLESSING UPON RAIN
1. Some say: Because the roads to the schools won't
(b) (R. Chisda) Rain that fell on part of the country has not
been subjected to the punishment of stopping up the
2. Others say: Because the crops won't be subject to
i. Question: Surely R. Chisda said that it is a
good year if Teves is slushy?
ii. Answer: That referred to where no rain fell
(c) Question: Surely a Pasuk about rain falling on one town
but not on another was explained to be a curse for both?
(d) Answer: That referred to where the town received
(e) This is also seen from the wording of the Pasuk.
(a) (R. Avahu) We bless on the rain from when the Chasan goes
to meet the Kalah (the raindrops hit the rebounding
(b) Question: Which Berachah do we say?
(c) Answer (R. Yehudah citing Rav): "We thank you, Hashem our
G-d, for each drop that You cause to descend."
(d) (R. Yochanan) Conclude: "If our mouths were as full of
song..." until "Blessed is the One of Rov ("many" or
1. Question: Only "most" and not all?
2. Answer (Rava): Say, "G-d of acknowledgments."
3. (R. Papa) Say both.