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prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
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SUKA 36-56 (End of Maseches) have been dedicated by the wife and daughters
of the late Dr. Simcha Bekelnitzky (Simcha Gedalya ben Shraga Feibush) of
Queens N.Y. Well known in the community for his Chesed and Tzedakah, he will
long be remembered.
Ula bar Chinena quotes a Beraisa that qualifies 'Nikav ve'Lo Chaser Kol
Shehu, Kasher' of our Mishnah. An Esrog is Pasul even if nothing is missing
1. ... if it goes right through the Esrog (or to the center of the Esrog,
according to some), however small the size of the hole.
2. ... if it is the size of an Isar (a coin).
(a) An Esrog that is peeled, split or that has a hole, which our Mishnah has
already declared Pasul, are all similar to one of the Tereifos of an animal.
When Rava asks whether a sign of Tereifus invalidates an Esrog - he is
referring to an Esrog whose inside has melted, though the seed chambers are
still intact (which is similar to a lung whose inside has disintegrated, but
whose blood-vessels are still intact).
(b) An animal whose lung has disintegrated is Tereifah only if the blood
vessels have disintegrated, too.
(c) Rava's She'eilah by Esrog applies when the seed chambers *are* intact,
in which case the Esrog may well be Pasul, even though the animal in the
equivalent case is *not* a Tereifah - because, whereas by an animal, the
lung is covered, an Esrog is open to the air, and is therefore liable to go
(a) Esrogim that are swollen or smelly, pickled or well-cooked, black, white
or dotted - are all Pasul.
(b) An Esrog is Pasul if it is ...
(c) We try to resolve Rava's She'eilah (regarding an Esrog whose inside has
melted) from the first two cases in the Beraisa ('an Esrog that is swollen
or smelly') - by establishing 'swollen' on the *outside*, and 'smelly', on
the *inside* (Rava's She'eilah).
- ... round;
- ... a twin;
- ... grown inside a form to change its shape.
(d) But we conclude that the Beraisa may well *validate* an Esrog that is
only bad *inside* (as in Rava's She'eilah), and that both 'swollen' and
'smelly' refer to an Esrog that has even turned bad on the *outside* too; it
is either - 'swollen' but not smelly, or 'smelly' (i.e. rotten) but not
swollen; alternatively, 'swollen' means rotten, and 'smelly', from the worms
that have eaten it.
(a) The Beraisa validates an Esrog ha'Kushi, but invalidates one that is
An Esrog ...
(b) Abaye establishes our Mishnah (which invalidates an Esrog ha'Kushi), by
a Domeh le'Kushi. Rava establishes it by a Kushi, which is Kasher for Jews
living in Ethiopia, but Pasul for Jews living elsewhere, because they may
go on to permit even a black Esrog that grew in their own country (see
- ... ha'Kushi - is one that grew in Ethiopia.
- ... ha'Domeh le'Kushi - that grew elsewhere, but is black like an Ethiopian Esrog.
(a) The Chachamim validate a small Esrog the size of a white bean - because
it is not a fruit (and the Torah writes "P'ri Eitz Hadar").
(b) Rabah equates Rebbi Akiva opinion with that of his disciple, Rebbi
Shimon, who says - that a small Esrog of that size is Patur from Ma'asros.
(c) Abaye disagrees. In his opinion ...
1. ... Rebbi Akiva might well declare such a small Esrog, Pasul - because it
is not Hadar (but agree with the Rabbanan of Rebbi Shimon that it is Chayav
(d) Abaye concludes his contention with the words 've'Su Lo Midi' - meaning
that this is conclusive (Rebbi Akiva's reason is because of Hadar, and Rebbi
Shimon's, because regarding Ma'asros, it must be fit to sow - and neither
one holds of the other).
2. ... Rebbi Shimon might well exempt such a small Esrog from Ma'asros -
because of the Pasuk in Re'ei "Aser Te'aser es Kol Tevu'as *Zar'echa*"
(implying that they are fit to sow), and such a small Esrog will not grow,
(a) Rava permits an Esrog that grew in a form in the shape of an Esrog.
But is this obvious, asks the Gemara, since the Beraisa explicitly
establishes our Mishnah by a shape that is *different than an Esrog*?
(b) Rava's Chidush, answers the Gemara, is when he grows it in the shape of
slightly rounded planks resembling a water-wheel, which is somewhat
irregular, but still resembles an Esrog.
(a) Rav (in the first Lashon) disqualifies an Esrog which has been mouse-
eaten and contains holes - because it is not 'Hadar'.
In the second Lashon - Rav makes no distinction between an Esrog that was
eaten by humans or by mice. Consequently, he proves from Rebbi Chanina that
an Esrog that has been partially eaten is still 'Hadar', and is therefore
Kasher from the second day and onwards.
(b) 'Hadar' is Pasul on all seven days.
(c) Rebbi Chanina used to eat part of his Esrog and then continue to use it
- on the *second* day. Our Mishnah, which disqualifies an Esrog with a hole
if some of the Esrog is missing - refers to the *first* day only (in Rebbi
(d) Rav may well agree with Rav Chanina, that an Esrog that has been eaten
is Kasher on the second day. Nevertheless, *he* disqualified the mouse-eaten
Esrog - because a mouse-eaten Esrog is disgusting, and is therefore not
(a) Rebbi Meir validates an Esrog the size of a nut; whereas Rebbi Yehudah
requires a minimum size of an egg. They have the same dispute with regard to
the three sharp stones which Chazal permitted to take (less than four Amos)
into a bathroom in a field on Shabbos (even though they would normally be
Muktzah) because of 'Kavod ha'Beri'os' - Rebbi Meir permits stones the size
of a nut (but not larger), whereas Rebbi Yehudah permits even stones the
size of an egg (see Aruch la'Ner).
(b) Rebbi Yossi supports his ruling (permitting an Esrog so large that it
must be held in both hands) with a story concerning Rebbi Akiva - who once
came into Shul with a hugh Esrog on his shoulders.
(c) Rebbi Yehudah refutes Rebbi Yossi's proof - because, according to him,
the Rabbanan actually said to Rebbi Akiva that his Esrog was not 'Hadar'.
(d) Rebbi Yehudah's reason is not because it is not 'Hadar' - but because
the Esrog may fall and break (as we explained above). He only quoted the
Rabbanan of Rebbi Akiva in order to counter Rebbi Yossi. This is strange
however, because in that case, how can Rebbi Yehudah invalidate the Esrog
only because it might fall (a Pesul de'Rabbanan), when the very Rabbanan
from whom he is proving his point, invalidate it because of Hadar
(a) According to Rebbi Yehudah, the three species of the Lulav must be bound
with the same kind. Rebbi Meir permits even a piece of string.
(b) Rebbi Meir proves his point from the men of Yerushalayim, who used to
tie their Lulav with gold threads. According to Rebbi Yehudah, they first
bound it underneath with the same kind.
(c) Rava permits tying the Lulav even with the creeper or with thin strips
of bark cut from a palm-tree (according to Rebbi Yehudah) - not to beautify
the Lulav, but because, in his opinion, the Lulav must be bound.
Consequently, it is necessary to use the same kind, in order to avoid 'Bal