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by Rabbi Ephraim Becker
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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1) HOW P'RI ETZ HADAR REFERS TO ESROG
(a) (Beraisa) Its fruit and tree have the same taste.
2) THE PESUL OF ASHEIRAH AND IR HANIDACHAS
1. Question: Perhaps this refers to Pilpelin?
(b) (Rebbi) It is like a Dir (Hadar) which has different
sizes, shapes and ages of flock, like the Esrog tree.
i. R. Meir taught that Pilpelin has this
2. Answer: Pilpelin are impossible to use since one
would not even be noticed, and taking many would
violate the singular language of the Pasuk.
ii. In addition, we are taught that it is
obligated in Orlah, and that the Land is not
1. Question: But most fruit trees have such variety!?
(c) (R. Avahu) It can reside (Dar like Hadar) on its tree
from year to year.
2. Answer: We mean that the large ones are still on
the tree when the small ones come out.
(d) (Ben Azai) It is water-based (Hadar alludes to the
Greek Hydro) as it requires constant irrigation.
(a) Its Shiur is reduced below the minimum given that it
must be burnt.
3) ORLAH IS PASUL
(a) Question: Why is Orlah Pasul?
(b) Answer: It is a Machlokes R. Chiyah b. Avin and R. Asi.
1. It may not be eaten (and hence fails on Lachem).
(c) Question: We wanted to assume that the reasons are
exclusive but then how can we explain the Pesul of
Terumah Temeiah (which has value but no Heter Achilah)?
2. It has no value (and Lachem implies value).
(d) Answer: Heter Achilah is the minimum requirement, and
the other opinion adds value as another requirement.
(e) Question: When will the opinions create a distinction
(f) Answer: In the use of Ma'aser Sheni in Yerushalayim,
according to R. Meir (who sees Ma'aser Sheni as Mamon
1. It certainly has Heter Achilah.
(g) From the Din of R. Meir which R. Asi cited, we should
conclude that R. Asi held that it requires value.
2. It has not value according to R. Meir.
1. In the case of Ma'aser Sheni, R. Meir is cited by
R. Asi as disallowing the Esrog while the
Chachamim permit it.
(h) Question (R. Papa): R. Asi cites two other items which
R. Meir discounts and the Chachamim include, but Matzah
does not fit the pattern!?
2. This, indeed, establishes the position of R. Asi.
1. Matzah of Ma'aser Sheni regarding the Mitzvah.
2. A dough of Ma'aser Sheni regarding Chalah.
3. Dough is associated with Arisoseichem, as Lachem
by Esrog, implying that personal ownership is a
4. But there is not word by Matzah to imply personal
(i) Answer: It is connected by the word Lechem to Chalah,
(from which a dough of Ma'aser Sheni is Patur) hence it
must be yours.
4) AN ESROG OF TERUMAH TEMEI'AH IS PASUL
(j) Question: May R. Asi find support in the Beraisa cited
regarding a dough of Ma'aser Sheni?
(k) Answer and Question: Is that a question!? That is our
(l) Answer: Our question was whether the Machlokes
regarding a dough would also apply to Esrog, or whether
a dough has *two* references to possession and thus may
not generalize to Esrog.
(a) It lack a Heter Achilah.
5) AN ESROG OF TERUMAH TEHORAH SHOULD NOT BE USED
(a) The reason is a Machlokes R. Ami and R. Asi.
6) IF USED, IT IS KOSHER
1. Its use would likely make it Muchshar to receive
(b) Question: When will the opinions create a distinction
2. Its use would likely cause its deterioration, as
the skin wears down from handling.
(c) Answer: If he excluded the skin when making it Terumah
(it still could be exposed to Tumah, but it would not
be affected by the handling).
(a) It satisfies both opinions (Heter Achilah and value).
7) DEMAI IS A MACHLOKES BEIS HILLEL AND BEIS SHAMAI
(a) Question: Why does Beis Hillel permit Demai?
8) AN ESROG OF MA'ASER SHENI SHOULD NOT BE USED
(b) Answer: Since the owner could make himself an Ani and
be entitled to use Demai, we view him as such, even now
(as the Mishnah permits feeding Demai to the poor).
(c) Question: Why do Beis Shamai prohibit Demai?
(d) Answer: They hold that a poor man may not eat Demai (as
R. Huna taught that the matter is subject to
(a) It could both become Muchshar, as well as deteriorate.
9) IF USED, IT IS KOSHER
(a) If the requirement is Heter Achilah, then the Din is
the opinion of both R. Meir and Chachamim.
10) CHAZAZIS ON THE MAJORITY OF ITS SKIN MAKES IT PASUL
(b) If the requirement is also value, then the opinion is
only the Chachamim (since, according to R. Meir,
Ma'aser Sheni is Mamon Gavo'ah).
(a) (R. Chisda, reverently citing Rav) It is Pasul only if
the Chazazis is found in one place, but not if it is
found in two or three places.
11) THE PITAM
(b) Question (Rava): But surely two or three places is
worse, rendering it Menumar (leopard-like)!?
(c) Answer: Rather, the statement of Rav should be applied
to the Seifah, where a minority of Chazazis is Kosher,
only if it appears in one place, not if it appears in
two or three places, where it makes it Menumar.
(d) (Rava) Even a tiny Chazazis on the Chotam (where it
begins to become slimmer) is Pasul.
(a) The word used by R. Yitzhok b. Elazar is Bochan (see
(a) (Rava) A skinned Esrog which turned ruddy is Kosher.
(b) Question: But the Mishnah taught that Niklaf is Pasul!?
(c) Answer: If it is entirely skinned it is Kosher;
partially skinned (creating multiple colors) is Pasul.