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by Rabbi Ephraim Becker
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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SUKAH 12 (27 Nisan) - has been dedicated to the memory of ha'Rav Shmuel (ben
Aharon) Grunfeld of Jerusalem/Efrat. Rav Shmuel was a truly great Torah
scholar, whose tragic death left all who knew him with an inconsolable sense
1) THE SOURCE FOR THE LIMITATIONS ON S'CHACH (cont'd)
(a) Answer (Ravin citing R. Yochanan): The Pasuk indicates that
the Sukah must be made of the waste products from the
granary and from the wine-press (not subject to Tumah and
grow from the ground).
2) MISHNAH: BUNDLES OF S'CHACH
1. Question: Perhaps the Pasuk refers to the actual
contents of the granary and the wine-press themselves?
(b) Answer (R. Chisda): The source for the specifications of
S'chach is the instructions given by Nechemyah to the People
(enumerating only that which is not Mekabel Tumah and grows
from the ground).
2. Answer (R. Zeira): The Pasuk speaks of Yekev and surely
it does not mean to make S'chach out of wine.
i. Question (R. Yirmiyah): Perhaps the Pasuk refers
to congealed wine which could be used as S'chach.
3. Answer (R. Ashi): The prefix 'mi' implies the (waste)
*from* the granary and the wine-press, but not the
wheat and the wine themselves.
ii. Answer (R. Zeira): R. Yirmiyah has cut down our
1. Question: The Eitz Avos and Hadas in his list are the
2. Answer: Nechemyah meant Kosher Hadasim for their
Lulavim, and Pasul ones (known as Hadas Shoteh) for
(a) Bundles of straw, wood or canes are Pasul.
3) GEZEIRAS OTZAR
(b) If one unties them (even after they are on the Sukah) they
(c) One may however, use them (or any other material) as walls
of the Sukah.
(a) R. Yakov reported having heard two Halachos from R. Yochanan
as well as two rationales, but he was unsure which rationale
applied to which Halachah.
1. He heard the Pesul of our Mishnah as well as the Pesul
of scratching out a Sukah in a haystack.
(b) R. Yirmiyah was able to resolve the matter by reviewing that
which R. Chiya b. Aba reported in the name of R. Yochanan.
2. One reason was Gezeiras Otzar (d'Rabanan) and one was
Ta'aseh ve'Lo min he'Asui (mi'd'Oreisa).
1. R. Yochanan had explained the Pesul of our Mishnah
(entirely disallowing the use of bundles) for fear that
someone might come to use bundles which had *not* been
originally placed there for shade (Gezeiras Otzar) and
would *then* have a Sukah Pesulah owing to Ta'aseh.
(c) Question: With such an explicit explanation from R.
Yochanan, how could R. Yakov have had a question about it?
2. The reason for invalidating a Sukah that is burrowed
out of a hay-stack must be because of Ta'aseh ve'Lo min
he'Asui itself (R. Yochanan's second reason).
(d) Answer: R. Yakov had not heard the Din which R. Chiya b. Aba
(e) Question (R. Ashi): How could R. Yochanan allegedly have
said that one reason applies to each Din, given that both
reasons (Gezeiras Otzar and Ta'aseh) apply to both cases!?
(f) Answer: R. Yochanan infers from the unique wording of the
Pesul in each case, in one that such S'chach cannot be used
(the language of an Isur d'Rabanan) and in one that it is
not a Sukah (implying that it is not valid d'Oreisa).
4) WOODEN ARROW HANDLES AS S'CHACH
(a) (R. Yehudah citing Rav): Male arrow handles (with a
protrusion which screws into the metal arrow shaft, thus
without any Beis Kibul) and Kosher, but female ones are
Pasul (since they have a Beis Kibul into which the metal is
5) QUESTIONS ON R. YOCHANAN'S DIN REGARDING THE USE OF FLAX
(b) Question: The Kashrus of the male handles is obvious (there
is no Beis Kibul, and not sufficient size for a Gezeirah)!?
(c) Answer: We might have prohibited them lest people come to
use the female ones, which do have a Beis Kibul.
(d) Question: The Pesul of the female ones (given their Beis
Kibul) is also obvious!?
(e) Answer: We might have been lenient and said that a Beis
Kibul which is made to be permanently filled is not viewed
as a Beis Kibul at all, even when it is not filled.
(a) (Rabah b.b. Chanah citing R. Yochanan) S'chach made of
Anitzei Pishtan (combed flax, at the end of its processing)
is Pasul, S'chach made of Hutznei Pishtan (in its raw form,
before being soaked) is Kosher, but R. Yochanan himself is
uncertain regarding Hushnei Pishtan.
6) OTHER VEGETABLE LEAVES AS S'CHACH
(b) Rabah b.b. Chanah is uncertain as to what stage of its
process R. Yochanan was calling Hushnei.
1. It could be the flax between the pounding and the
combing (whereas between the soaking and the pounding,
they are still called Hutznei and are Kosher for
2. It could also be that once they have been soaked, they
are already called Hushnei and are included in R.
(a) (R. Yehudah) Shushi and Shivtzeri may be used as S'chach
(not considered food and hence not Mekabel Tumah).
(b) (Abaye) We forbid the use of Shivtzeri because of its bad
smell which may cause a person to leave the Sukah.