ANSWERS TO REVIEW QUESTIONS
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous dafShabbos 124
(a) she'Lo le'Tzorech means ...
1. ... according to Rabah (or Abaye) 'Davar she'Melachto le'Heter, le'Tzorech Mekomo'.
(b) According to Rebbi Nechemyah ...
2. ... according to Rava, 'Davar she'Melachto le'Heter, me'Chamah le'Tzel'.
1. ... le'Tzorech Gufo means to use exclusively for its original function.
2. ... le'Tzorech Mekomo is like Tzorech Gufo, since a vessel is initially
intended to be moved when one needs its place.
(a) According to Rabah, Rebbi Nechemyah permits the removal of dirty dishes
from the table, because they have the Din of a Graf shel Re'i.
(b) The Mishnah in Beitzah forbids using a block of wood on Yom-Tov, to
support a pot or a door, because Chazal decreed Yom-Tov because of Shabbos.
(c) The block of wood is not permitted on Shabbos because only a *K'li*
she'Melachto le'Isur is permitted le'Tzorech Gufo u'Mekomo, and a block of
wood however, is not a K'li.
(a) It may well be that Rebbi Eliezer forbids retrieving the second animal
from the pit, not because he decrees Shabbos because of Yom-Tov, but
because one can ensure its survival by feeding it where it is. And
similarly, when Rebbi Yehoshua permits retrieving it, it is not because he
does not in principle, decree Yom-tov because of Shabbos, but because it is
possible to be Ma'arim, as we learnt above; otherwise, he would also agree
that one decrees Yom-Tov because of Shabbos.
(b) Beis Shamai forbid carrying anything but food (which the Torah
specifically permits) on Yom-Tov. The Rabbanan did not want to permit other
things, any more than on Shabbos, whereas according to Beis Hillel, one may
carry anything, in spite of the fact that that is Asur on Shabbos.
(c) If Beis Shamai are stringent with regard to *carrying*, then they will
also be stringent with regard to Tiltul *Muktzah*, since Tiltul is usually
performed in order to carry (according to the text in our Gemara, this
should read - 'was the decree of Tiltul not issued because of carrying' (in
order that one should not come to carry)?
(a) Rav said that one may not carry a spade (which is a 'Davar she'Malachto
le'Isur') in order to protect it from thieves (which is similar to
'me'Chamah le'Tzel') - but 'le'Tzorech Gufo u'Mekomo' one may (like Rava).
(b) In the first answer, the Gemara amends Rabah's statement. What he
really said was 'Remove the trap from before Rav Kahana' to enable him to
sit down ('le'Tzorech Mekomo').
(c) 'I Nami, Hasam me'Chamah le'Tzel Havah' - means that the trap was in a
bad place, where it was prone to become spoilt by the sun, and if Rav had
not announced that he was bringing it in for Rav Kahana to sit on, people
would have thought that he was permitting 'me'Chamah le'Tzel'.
(d) Rava told Rav Mari bar Rachel that anyone other than himself was
permitted to move his furs, when, in answer to Rava's ruling permitting him
to move them, he replied firstly that he had other furs (and did not need
those), and then that he even had enough spare ones for his guests.
(a) A broom was considered a 'Davar she'Melachto le'Isur' - because in
those days, most floors consisted of earth, and the likelihood existed
that, in the process of sweeping, one may come to fill in grooves in the
ground, to straighten the floor (which constitutes Binyan).
Note: Nowadays, since at least most of the floors in town are covered with
tiles etc., sweeping is permitted and brooms are not Muktzah.
(b) A table brush is not Muktzah.
(c) Rav Elazar agrees with Rav, and forbids moving a broom out of the sun
on Shabbos, too.
(a) Rebbi Yehudah requires a broken vessel to be usable for the same
function as it was before it broke; for example ...
1. ... a broken earthenware dish, to pour a hot stew into it;
2. ... a glass dish (which is those days was not durable), to contain oil.
(a) The Gemara initially thought that, if the vessels broke on Shabbos,
they are permitted because they were Kelim when Shabbos entered.
(b) Had the (wooden) vessels (whose broken pieces the Mishnah in Beitzah
forbade to use as firewood) - broken *before* Yom-Tov, why on earth would
they be forbidden (to use as fire-wood)? Isn't that what wood was normally
designated for in those days? Consequently, they must have broken *on*
Yom-Tov, and they are forbidden, not because of Muktzah, but because of
(c) The Gemara therefore explains Shmuel like this: Rebbi Yehudah and the
Rabbanan argue when the vessels broke *on* Shabbos, where Rebbi Yehudah
holds, unless they can still be used for their original function, they are
forbidden, because of Nolad; whereas the Rabbanan do not hold of Nolad, in
which case, the vessels are permitted as long as they are still usable, and
therefore carry the title of 'Kelim'.
(a) The three Beraisos are simply learnt by different authors: the author
of 'Masikin be'Kelim, ve'Ein Masikin be'Shivrei Kelim' - is Rebbi Yehudah,
who holds both of Muktzah (which is not applicable to ordinary Kelim on
Yom-Tov) and of Nolad - which *is*; the author of 'Ke'shem she'Masikin
be'Kelim, Kach Masikin be'Shivrei Kelim' - is Rebbi Shimon, who does not
hold of Muktzah either; whereas the author of 'Ein Masikin Lo be'Kelim
ve'Lo be'Shivrei Kelim' - is Rebbi Nechemyah, who only permits vessels to
be used for the original function for which they were intended.
(a) A piece of clay in a courtyard is not Muktzah, because one can cover
vessels with it.
(b) Rav Nachman argues that people tend to sit and relax in a Karmelis, in
which case, the piece of clay is fit to cover spittle.
(c) Rav Nachman concedes however, that the piece of clay is Muktzah in the
street (since neither of the above regulat uses is applicable there), .
(d) Rava, on the other hand, maintains that, if a piece of clay is fit for
use in a courtyard - and is therefore called a Kli, then it is a Kli in the
Rava said to the Rabbanan who shouted at his servant for picking up a piece
of clay in the street - 'Not satisfied with being ignorant of the Halachah,
you also want to teach others (your mistakes)!'
(a) The pieces of a broken barrel and its lid do not become Muktzah -
because they are still fit to be used as lids for other barrels or vessels.
(b) 'Lo Yispos Mimenu Shever Lechasos Bah es ha'K'li' etc. means that is
not permitted to shape the broken pieces - to cut off sharp edges etc.,
because this is considered Tikun Manah.
(c) If one threw the lid into the trash-pan ...
1. ... *on* Shabbos, he may retrieve it (since it was a Kli when Shabbos
entered), but not ...
2. ... if he discarded it *before* Shabbos (since, when Shabbos entered,
its status of K'li had already been nullified).
Note: Throwing a shirt into the trash-pan before Shabbos would not negate
its status, since most people consider a shirt a K'li, unlike an
independent lid, which depends on each individual's intentions.