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Menachos 105


(a) How do we initially interpret Rebbi Yehudah's statement 'she'Hi Meyuchedes she'bi'Menachos'? On what grounds do we think he gives a Minchas So'les precedence?

(b) Based on that principle, what ought to be the Din with regard to someone who declares that he will bring ...

  1. ... an Olah?
  2. ... an Olah min ha'Tzon?
  3. ... an Olah min ha'Of?
(c) The Mishnah later discusses a case where someone undertakes to bring an Olah. According to the Tana Kama, Lechatchilah one should bring a lamb.
What does Rebbi Elazar ben Azaryah say?

(d) How does this Mishnah pose a Kashya on the reason that we just ascribed to Rebbi Yehudah?

(a) Why then, does Rebbi Yehudah refer to a Minchas So'les as 'Meyuchedes she'bi'Menachos'?

(b) How do we then reconcile this with the Beraisa, which specifically gives Rebbi Yehudah's reason as 'Ho'il u'Pasach Bo ha'Kasuv'?

(c) But is that not obvious (seeing as Rebbi Yehudah specifically mentions 'Minchas So'les')?

(a) Rav Papa asks whether someone who declares 'mi'Miynei ha'Minchah', might mean two kinds of Minchah.
Then why did he say 'Minchah'?

(b) Alternatively, Minchah might mean literally one Minchah.
Then what did the Noder mean when he said 'mi'Miynei'?

(c) How do we try to resolve the She'eilah from our Mishnah 'Minchah, Miyn Minchah, Yavi Achas'?

(d) How do we refute the proof from there, from the Seifa 'Menachos, Miyn Menachos, Yavi Shetayim'?

(a) We learned in a Beraisa 'Miyn Menachos Alai, Yavi Sh'tei Menachos mi'Miyn Echad'. How do we try to refute the inference 'Ha mi'Miynei Minchah, Chada' (meaning just one Minchah, thereby resolving our She'eilah)?

(b) We try to refute this however, by citing the continuation of the Beraisa (or perhaps it is a different Beraisa) 'Miynei Menachos Alai, Meivi Sh'tei Menachos mi'Sh'nei Miynim'.
What do we extrapolate from there? What will the Din then be by 'Miynei Minchah'?

(c) We nevertheless conclude that we may well rule 'Meivi Sh'tei Menachos mi'Sh'nei Miynim, and the author of the Beraisa (which omits the case of 'Miynei Minchah'), is Rebbi Shimon.
Which Din of Rebbi Shimon are we referring to?

(d) How will we then explain the inference?

(a) What does 'Mechtzah Chalos u'Mechtzah Rekikin' of Rebbi Shimon incorporate?

(b) According to Rebbi Yirmiyah therefore, our Mishnah, which rules 'Pirashti, ve'Eini Yode'a Mah Pirashti, Yavi Chamishtan', cannot go like Rebbi Shimon.
Why is that?

(c) How many Menachos would the Noder have to bring (besides So'les, Machavas and Marcheshes), assuming that Rebbi Shimon requires ten Chalos for every Minchah (like Rebbi Yehudah)?

(d) Abaye disagrees.
Based on Rebbi Shimon in a Beraisa (as we will explain shortly), how could one get away with one Minchas Ma'afeh Tanur, even according to Rebbi Shimon?

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(a) The Beraisa discusses a Safek Metzora Muchlat (and a Safek Nazir Tamei), Safek Tahor.
What is he permitted to do after sixty days?

(b) According to Rebbi Shimon, on the sixty-first day, he brings his Asham and Log of oil.
What does he stipulate? What will the lamb be brought as, assuming that he was Tahor to begin with?

(c) Assuming that it is ...

  1. ... an Asham, besides the fact that the oil requires placing on the Metzora's right thumb, which three Chumros will pertain to the Korban (in case it is an Asham?
  2. ... a Shelamim, which three Chumros will pertain to the Korban (in case it is a Shelamim)?
(a) Generally speaking, says Mar, Rebbi Shimon would not allow such a procedure Lechatchilah.
Why not?

(b) Then why did he permit it in the case of a Safek Metzora Tamei?

(c) How does this explain why Abaye establishes our Mishnah like Rebbi Shimon (which permits making such a condition even Lechatchilah [even thought it is not speaking about a Metzora])?

(a) What problem did Rav Papa have with establishing Rebbi Shimon as the author of our Mishnah, in which case the Noder brings as the Minchas Ma'afeh Tanur, ten Chalos and ten Rekikin on which he stipulates, as we explained?

(b) How did Abaye answer this?

(a) And what problem does Rav Papa have with the two Kemitzos?

(b) What does Abaye answer? What must the Noder stipulate when taking one Kometz from the Chalos and one from the Rekikin?

(c) If, on the other hand, the Noder undertook to bring one Minchah of half Chalos and half Rekikin, Rav Papa asks further, he ought to perform one Kemitzah incorporating the two.
How does Abaye answer this?

(a) We have a problem with the oil however. In a case of Mechtzah Chalos, Mechtzah Rekikin, the Mosar ha'Shemen is returned to the Chalos (as we learned in Perek Kol ha'Menachos Ba'os Matzah).
What happens to it if there are only Rekikin?

(b) We answer by establishing our Mishnah like Rebbi Shimon ben Yehudah. What does Rebbi Shimon ben Yehudah Amar Rebbi Shimon say there regarding Mechtzah Chalos, Mechtzah Rekikin?

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