REVIEW QUESTIONS ON GEMARA AND RASHI
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
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MENACHOS 101-102 - Two weeks of study material have been dedicated by Mrs.
Estanne Abraham Fawer to honor the fourth Yahrzeit of her father, Reb
Mordechai ben Eliezer Zvi (Weiner), who passed away 18 Teves 5760. May the
merit of supporting and advancing Talmud study during the week of his
Yahrzeit serve as an Iluy for his Neshamah.
(a) Why, assuming that our Mishnah 'Pigeil, bein be'Kodshei Kodshim ... Eino
Metamei Tum'as Ochlin', speaks about Pigeil bi'Zerikah, is this a Kashya on
What ought the Mishnah to have said, according to him?
(b) How do we establish the Mishnah, to reconcile it with Rebbi Oshaya?
(c) What problem do we then have with the continuation of the Mishnah
'Pigeil be'Minchcah, Metamei Tum'as Ochlin'? What should the Tana rather
(d) And we answer that the Tana deliberately switches to Minchah to teach us
(a) When Rav Ashi said over this whole piece to Rav Nachman, the latter
How did he establish the case in our Mishnah ...
(b) Yet in both cases, he justifies the Tana in its ruling 'Eino Metamei
Tum'as Ochlin', even according to Rebbi Oshaya.
- ... 'Lan Lifnei Zerikah' (which we established 'Kodem she'Yera'eh li'Zerikah')?
- ... 'Pigeil bein be'Kodshei Kodshim ... ' (which we established by Pigeil Lifnei Shechitah)?
Why is that?
(c) Why should there be a difference between Pidyon and Zerikah in this
(a) Rebbi Yehoshua in the Mishnah in Me'ilah, confines Me'ilah (with regard
to Kodshim that became Pasul) to something which the Kohanim were at no
stage, permitted to eat.
Why is something that the Kohanim are permitted
to eat, not subject to Me'ilah?
(b) The latter category comprises three cases. Two of them are 'she'Lanah'
What is the third?
(c) The former comprises three cases, too.
If two of them are
'she'Nishchatah Chutz li'Zemanah ve'Chutz li'Mekomah', what is the third?
(d) How do we query Rav Nachman's explanation from 'Lanah' in the Reisha?
(a) In attempting to answer the Kashya, how do we establish the case of
'Lanah' vis a vis 'Nitme'ah' and 'Yatz'ah'?
(b) What would then be the Din in a case of 'Lanah Mamash' (before the
(c) What problem does this create with the Lashon 'Kol she'Haysah Lah Sha'as
Heter la'Kohanim'? What ought the Tana to have said?
(d) So how did Rav Ashi really answer Rav Nachman? How did he distinguish
between Me'ilah and Tum'as Ochlin (with regard to 'Kol ha'Omed Lizarek')?
(a) We query this answer too, from a Beraisa, which discusses someone who
brings an Asham Taluy, and who discovers in the process, that he did not
Answers to questions
What does one bring an Asham Taluy for?
(b) Rebbi Meir permits him to let the animal loose among his animals,
because it is Chulin.
What do the Chachamim say? Why is that?
(c) Rebbi Eliezer even permits him to bring it.
Why is that?
(d) What does the Beraisa say in a case where he only discovered his
innocence after the Shechitah?
(a) If the blood has already been sprinkled when the owner discovers that he
did not sin, the Tana Kama holds that the Basar may be eaten. Rebbi Yossi
rules even more leniently.
What does he say?
(b) What do we try to prove from Rava, who equates Rebbi Yossi with Rebbi
(c) We reject Rava's interpretation of Rebbi Yossi however, by citing Rebbi
Yossi b'Rebbi Chanina.
What reason does he ascribe to Rebbi Yossi?
(a) Based on Rava's interpretation of Rebbi Yossi, what did Rav Ashi comment
to Rav Kahana about 'Kol ha'Omed Lisaref'?
(b) What Kashya did he then ask on Rava from Nosar and Parah?
(c) What was Rava's reply?
To what did he ascribe Tum'as Ochlin?
(a) Why was Ravina surprised at Rava's reply, notwithstanding the fact that
Chibas Kodesh can cause Hekdesh that would not otherwise be subject to
Tum'ah, to become Pasul?
(b) In any event, he thought that, with Rava's explanation, one could
resolve the She'eilah of Resh Lakish, who asked whether one counts Rishon
ve'Sheini in the case of T'zrid shel Menachos.
What is a 'Tz'rid shel
(c) What was Rav Ashi's reply? Why does Rav Kahana's statement have nothing
to do with Resh Lakish's She'eilah?
(d) What will be the ramifications of saying that we do count Rishon
ve'Sheini mi'de'Rabbanan, if the Nosar, the Parah or the Tz'rid shel
Menachos then touched Kodshim?
(a) What does our Mishnah say about someone who undertakes to bring ...
(b) The same distinction will apply where someone undertakes to bring 'two
Esronim in one K'li' (as one Minchah) and he brings them in two Keilim (as
two), or vice-versa, or 'these two Esronim in one K'li' and he brings them
in two Keilim, or vice-versa.
- ... *a Minchah* al ha'Machavas' and then brings a Minchas Marcheshes, or vice-versa?
- ... '*this Minchah* (with reference to flour lying in front of him) as a Minchah al ha'Machavas' and then brings a Minchas Marcheshes, or vice-versa?
Why, in the latter set of cases, is the
Minchah Pasul if he brings the Minchah in two Keilim instead of one?
(c) And what does the Tana say in a case where someone undertook to bring
two Esronim in one K'li, and brought them in two Keilim. Then, ignoring
people who reminded him that he had said 'one K'li', he went ahead and
finished bringing them in two Keilim?
(d) Considering that he did not say "Eilu', why is this case different than
the previous case, where the Korban is Kasher, because he did not say
(a) And what does the Mishnah say about the equivalent case to the previous
one, where he erred and brought the Minchah in one Keili instead of two, in
spite of the people who reminded that he had said 'two'?
(b) What are the ramifications of this ruling?
(c) Why do we not say the same with regard to the earlier case 'Eilu Lehavi
bi'Shenei Keilim Ve'heivi bi'K'li Echad, Pasul'?
(a) Having taught the Din in ...
(b) Our Mishnah, in the Reisha de'Reisha and the Reisha de'Seifa rules 'Mah
she'Heivi Heivi, vi'Yedei Nidro Lo Yatza'. Rebbi Shimon in a Beraisa,
- ... the Reisha (with regard to a Minchah al ha'Machavas and a Minchas Marcheshes), why did the Tana find it necessary to repeat it in the Seifa (with regard to two Esronos in one K'li and in two)?
- ... the Seifa, why did the Tana find it necessary to repeat it in the Reisha?
What does he say?
(a) We ask on our Mishnah from a Beraisa (in connection with the Korban
Minchah). What does the Tana there mean when he writes 'Lo Kidshum K'lei
(b) Why does this pose a Kashya on our Mishnah?
(c) What do we answer?
(a) What does Abaye learn from the Pasuk in Ki Seitzei "Ka'asher Nadarta"
with regard to fixing the K'li?
Answers to questions
(b) How does this enable him to qualify our Mishnah?
(c) What does Rebbi Acha bar Chanina ... Amar Rebbi Yochanan say about this?