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Menachos 87

MENACHOS 87 (7 Teves) - Dedicated by Dr. Josh Daniel of Efrat, Israel, in memory of his brother, Yitzchok Yisroel [ben Refael Noach Yosef] Daniel, on his Yahrzeit.


(a) Our Mishnah invalidates wine that is *sweet*, boiled or smoked even Bedieved, but permits 'ha'Listavan (which is also sweet) Bedieved'. Ravina resolves the discrepancy with 'K'roch ve'Tani'.
What does he mean by that?

(b) Rav Ashi disagrees.
What distinction does he make between the two kinds of sweetness?

(c) Rebbi in our Mishnah, invalidates old wine. Chizkiyah cites his source as the Pasuk in Pinchas "le'Keves Yayin".
How does he learn it from there?

(a) What does th Beraisa say about wine of two years old?

(b) How do we know that the suthor is Rebbi?

(c) How does this refute Chizkiyah's suggested source?

(d) How does Rava therefore learn it from the Pasuk in Mishlei "Al Teire Yayin ki Yis'adam"?

(a) What does the Beraisa comment on 'Keramim ha'Avudim'?

(b) Rav Yosef used to plow his vineyard twice a year.
What happened as a result?

(c) The Beraisa comments on the ruling of our Mishnah forbidding large barrels 'Kadiyos Ludiyos Beinoniyos'.
What does that mean?

(d) How should they (not) be stored?

(a) We learned in our Mishnah how the Gizbar would bang on the barrel with his cane the moment the dregs began to emergs from the tap.
Why did he not announce this verbally?

(b) What does Rebbi Yochanan, the author of this statement, present as the antithesis of wine in this regard?

(c) Rebbi Yochanan asks whether, according to Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah in our Mishnah, someone who declares wine containing fungal growth will receive Malkos, because, as we learned in the Mishnah, he considers it a Ba'al-Mum. He might well not do so - because maybe the term 'Ba'al-Mum' is restricted to animals.

(d) The outcome of the She'eilah is - Teiku.

(a) The Beraisa cites Mo'av as the ideal location for rams, and Chevron, as the ideal location for lambs.
Where should one go for the best ...
  1. ... calves?
  2. ... birds (doves and pigeons)?
(b) Based on the Pasuk in Yeshayah "Yir'eh Mikn'cha ba'Yom ha'Hu Kar Nirchav", what does Rebbi Yehudah there say about lambs?
(a) Yeshayah ha'Navi refers to the guardian angels whom Hashem placed on the walls of Yerushalayim.
What other function did they have?

(b) They say "Atah Sakum Terachem Tziyon" (Tehilim), according to Rava bar Rav Shilo, and "Boneh Yerushalayim Hashem" (ibi.), according to Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak.
During which period do they say this?

(c) And when would they say the Pasuk (also in Tehilim) "Ki Bachar Hashem be'Tziyon, Ivah le'Moshav Lo"?

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(a) According to the Tana Kama of our Mishnah, there were two dry measuring vessels in the Beis-Hamikdash, an Isaron and half an Isaron.
What does Rebbi Meir say, based on the Pasuk in Pinchas "Isaron Isaron la'Keves ha'Echad"?

(b) What was the Tana Kama's Isaron used for?

(c) So how did they measure the three Sa'ah of a bull?

(d) What was the half-Isaron used for?

(a) What was the point of having two Isaron measuring vessels, according to Rebbi Meir?

(b) What was the Machuk used for? What was wrong with using the 'Gadush' for that too?

(c) What do the Rabbanan learn from the Pasuk there "ve'Isaron Echad la'Keves ha'Echad"?

(d) If the Rabbanan learn the measuring vessel of half an Isaron from "ve'Isaron Isaron" ('Im Eino Inyan'), from where does Rebbi Meir learn it?

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(a) What do the Rabbanan then learn from the extra 'Vav'?

(b) What does Rebbi Meir then learn from "ve'Isaron Echad la'Keves ha'Echad"?

(c) The Rabbanan learn that from 'Nikudo', like Rebbi Yossi in the Beraisa (from the first "Isaron" of the "Isaron Isaron la'Keves he'Echad" mentioned on the first day of Succos).
What exactly, does he mean?

(d) What does Rebbi Meir then learn from 'Nikudo'?

(a) What does the Beraisa say about bringing the Chavitei Kohen Gadol in halves?

(b) Then how does Rav Sheishes explain our Mishnah, which says that the Chatzi Isaron was to measure the Chavitei Kohen Gadol?

(c) Rami bar Chama asked Rav Chisda whether, according to Rebbi Meir, the Chatzi Isaron was Gadush or Machuk.
Why did he not ask the same She'eilah according to the Rabbanan?

(d) Rav Chisda replied that we learn Rebbi Meir from Rebbi Meir and the Rabbanan from Rebbi Meir.
What does he mean by that?

(a) What was Rami bar Chama referring to when he asked Rav Chisda whether the Chavitei Kohen Gadol were divided by hand or using a K'li? How many Chalos are we talking about?

(b) On what grounds did Rav Chisda reply emphatically that they did it by hand? Which Pasuk did he quote?

(a) Rami bar Chama then asks Rav Chisda whether the Kematzim become sanctified on the Godesh of the Shulchan or not.
To which Kematzim is he referring?

(b) What is his She'eilah? What does he mean by Godesh?

(c) Why might they not become sanctified?

(a) We query Rav Chisda's answer 'Eino Mekadesh' from a statement by Rebbi Yochanan.
What did Rebbi Yochanan say, depending on whether the folds in the loaves extend vertically two and a half Tefachim or two Tefachim (and bearing in mind that each row of loaves consisted of six loaves)?

(b) And how do we now reconcile Rav Chisda with Rebbi Yochanan?

(a) Our Mishnah now deals with the liquid measures in the Beis-Hamikdash. Based on the Hin and the Log, what were the seven liquid measures listed by the Tana Kama?

(b) According to Rebbi Eliezer b'Rebbi Tzadok, there were only two liquid measures in the Beis-Hamikdash, a Hin and a Log.
How did they then measure the fractions that were necessary for bulls, rams and lambs?

(c) Rebbi Shimon dispenses with the Hin altogether, adding a measure of one and a half Lugin instead.
What purpose did the latter serve?

(d) Rebbi Yehudah in a Beraisa, lists the seven liquid measures starting from a Revi'is ha'Log.
What does Rebbi Yehudah say?

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