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Menachos 78


(a) How many kinds of bread did the Milu'im (the consecration of the Mishkan) require?

(b) The Nezirus required two of the three.
Which two?

(c) How many Kabin Yerushalmiyos of flour did the latter comprise?

(d) That is equivalent to six Esronim 'va'Aduyan'.
What does 'va'Aduyan mean'?

(a) Rav Chisda Amar Rav Chama bar Gurya quotes the Pasuk in Tzav (in connection with the Milu'im) "u'mi'Sal ha'Matzos Asher Lifnei Hashem Lakach Chalas Matzah Achas ve'Chalas Lechem Shemen Achas ve'Rakik Echad".
Which two facts in this Pasuk are unarguable?

(b) What is Rav Chisda then trying to prove from there? How does he interpret "ve'Chalas Lechem Shemen Achas"?

(c) Rav Ivya however, refutes this proof, by asking 'Eima Ansa de'Mishcha'. What might 'Ansa de'Mishchah' be, besides an oily loaf?

(d) So we cite a D'rashah by Rav Nachman bar Rav Chisda Amar Rav Tivla on the Pasuk there "Zeh Korban Aharon u'Vanav Asher Yakrivu la'Hashem be'Yom Himashach Oso".
What problem do we have with this Pasuk?

(a) What do we mean when we answer 'Ela Makish Chinucho le'Moshcho'? To whose Chinuch and whose Meshichah is this referring?

(b) So what do we learn from the Chavitin of the Kohen Gadol?

(c) According to Rav Chisda, a Kohen Gadol who serves in that capacity for the first time has to bring two Esronos ha'Eifah.
Why is that?

(d) Rav Ashi says three.
How can it be that they do not argue?

(a) The Beraisa Darshens from the Pasuk in Tzav (in connection with the Todah) "al Zevach Todas Shelamav" 'Lerabos Shalmei Nazir'.
What does the Tana learn from there, besides the Shi'ur of ten Kabin Yerushalmiyos?

(b) And the word "Matzos" comes to refute the suggestion 'Yachol le'Chol Mah she'Amur ba'Inyan'.
What does this mean?

(c) How does Rav Papa explain this Limud? How do we preclude Shalmei Nazir from the Revuchah, from "Matzos"?

(d) Tana de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael learns this from the Pasuk in Naso (in connection with the Shalmei Nazir) "ve'Sal Matzos ... Chalos ... u'Rekikei ... ".
How does he learn it from there?

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(a) What does our Mishnah say about a Todah that was Shechted in the Azarah, whilst its loaves ...
  1. ... were outside the walls?
  2. ... were not yet properly baked?
(b) What if all the loaves were properly baked except for one?

(c) What does the Tana consider properly baked?

(a) According to Rebbi Yochanan, 'the walls' refers to Beis Pagi.
Where is 'Beis Pagi'?

(b) What does Resh Lakish say?

(c) What is the basis of their Machlokes?

(a) We learned in a Mishnah in Pesachim that if someone Shechts a Korban Pesach (or even a Korban Tamid, according to Rebbi Yehudah) or performs Zerikas ha'Dam, with Chametz in his possession, he transgresses a La'av. Based on the Pasuk "ve'Lo Sishchat *al* Chametz Dam Zivchi", where will the Chametz have to be for the Shochet or the Zorek to transgress, according to ...
  1. ... Resh Lakish?
  2. ... Rebbi Yochanan?
(b) Why do Rebbi Yochanan and Resh Lakish need to argue in both cases? Had they argued in the case of ...
  1. ... the Korban Pesach, why might we have thought that Rebbi Yochanan argues specifically there, but will agree with Resh Lakish in the case of the Todah?
  2. ... the Todah, why might we have thought that Resh Lakish will agree with Rebbi Yochanan in that of the Pesach?
(a) What does the Beraisa learn from the Pasuk in Tzav ...
  1. ... "al Chalos Lechem Chametz Yakriv"?
  2. ... "Yakriv Korbano"?
  3. ... "Zevach Todas"?
(b) What does another Beraisa say about ...
  1. ... Matzah Na? How does Rav Yehudah Amar Shmuel define 'Matzah Na'?
  2. ... Matzah that is baked in a pan?
(c) What is Rava referring to when he extends this Halachah to the Lachmei Todah?

(d) Why might we have thought otherwise?

(a) According to Chizkiyah, if one Shechted a Todah on eighty Chalos, forty of them are sanctified.
What is the reason for this (seeing as a Todah requires only forty loaves)?

(b) What does Rebbi Yochanan say?

(c) Rebbi Zeira qualifies the Machlokes.
According to him, in which case does even Rebbi Yochanan concede that forty loaves are sanctified?

(d) Seeing as Chizkiyah concedes that, where the owner declares that he sanctifies forty loaves only if the other forty will be sanctified too, then what is their Machlokes?

(a) According to Abaye however, their dispute covers a case where the owner specifically sanctifies all eighty loaves, and they are arguing over the K'li Shareis in which the loaves are placed.
What is then the basis of their Machlokes?

(b) Rav Papa disagrees. In his opinion, it is not the K'li Shareis over which they are arguing, but the knife which is used to Shecht the Korban (which sanctifies the loaves). What does he hold regarding a 'K'li Shareis'?

(c) And what is then the basis of the Machlokes? On what grounds does Rabbi Yochanan invalidate all eighty loaves?

(d) In the second Lashon, Rav Papa holds 'K'lei Shareis Ein Mekadshin Ela mi'Da'as', and again a knife is different.
What is now the basis of their Machlokes? Why does Chizkiyah validate the forty loaves?

(a) Our Mishnah rules that if the Todah is Shechted with a Machsheves Chutz li'Zemanah or Chutz li'Mekomah, the loaves are nevertheless sanctified. What status do they have?

(b) What does the Tana say about the loaves, in a case where the Korban is found to be a T'reifah after the Shechitah? Why is that?

(c) If the animal turns out to be a Ba'al-Mum, Rebbi Eliezer renders the loaves sanctified.
What do the Chachamim say?

(d) What does the Tana say about the loaves of ...

  1. ... a Todah that was Shechted she'Lo li'Shemah?
  2. ... the Eil ha'Milu'im or the two Kivsei Atzeres that was Shechted she'Lo li'She'mah?
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