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(a) We just discussed Rabah bar bar Chanah Amar Rebbi Yochanan's ruling 'Hini'ach Basar al-gabei Gechalim; Hipach bo, Chayav, Lo Hipach bo Patur'. Why can Rebbi Yochanan not be speaking when it would ...
1. ... not have cooked without stoking?
2. ... it would have cooked anyway, even without being stoked?
(b) So how do we establish the case?
(c) What is Rebbi Yochanan then coming to teach us?
(d) What Shi'ur does Rava give to be Chayav on Shabbos there where the meat reaches the stage of fully cooked?

(a) Ravina queries Rava's statement from the Mishnah in Shabbos. What does the Tana there say about someone who bores a tiny hole in a piece of wood, say?
(b) What makes us think that the Tana must be referring to boring two or three holes, and not just one?
(c) What is it that makes two or three holes more Chayav than one?
(d) How does this pose a Kashya on Rava?

(a) Rav Ashi replies that the Mishnah speaks even about boring a hole in one spot. How does he then resolve the objection that we just raised concerning the uselessness of one tiny hole?
(b) What did Rava say, according to the second Lashon?
(c) How does Ravina try to prove Rava right from the Mishnah in Shabbos?
(d) How does Rav Ashi refute Ravina's proof?

(a) In the Pasuk in Vayikra (regarding the prohibition of Chametz) "Kol ha'Minchah Asher Takrivu la'Hashem", what does the Beraisa learn from ...
1. ... "Asher Takrivu la'Hashem"?
2. ... "Kol ha'*Minchah*"? To which Minchah does this Pasuk refer?
3. ... "*Kol* ha'Minchah"?
(b) From where do we learn that the prohibition is confined to a Kasher Minchah, and does not pertain to a Pasul one?
(c) Rav Papa asks whether one is Chayav for taking a Minchah that one made Chametz and that then became Yotzei, and making it Chametz again. Why might he be ...
1. ... Patur?
2. ... Chayav?
(d) What is the outcome of Rav Papa's She'eilah?

(a) Rav Mari asks about being Machmitz a Minchah on top of the Mizbe'ach (before it has been placed on the Ma'arachah. Bearing in mind that he has already brought the Minchah on the Mizbe'ach (and it no longer seems to be subject to "Asher Takrivu la'Hashem"), why might the Kohen nevertheless be Chayav?
(b) What is the outcome of this She'eilah?

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(a) What problem do we have with the current Limud from "Asher Takrivu la'Hashem"?
(b) We cite a Beraisa where Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili includes Minchas Nesachim in the Din of Chimutz. Why might we have thought otherwise? What makes Minchas Nesachim different than the category of Nesachim referred to in the Pasuk?
(c) Based on what we just said, what does Minchas Nesachim incorporate, according to Rebbi Yossi Hagelili?
(d) Then why did he only mention Minchas Nesachim?
(e) What does Rebbi Akiva say? What does "Asher Takrivu la'Hashem" come to include, according to him?

(a) What problem do we have with Rebbi Yossi Hagelili? Why do we think that Minchas Nesachim should not be subject to Chimutz?
(b) Why does this Kashya not pertain to other Menachos? What makes Minchas Nesachim different in this regard?
(c) How does Resh Lakish answer the Kashya?

(a) What problem do we have with Rebbi Akiva? Why might we have thought that the Lechem ha'Panim is different than other Korbanos in this regard?
(b) How does Ravin in the name of Rebbi Yochanan amend the Beraisa to circumvent this Kashya?
(c) How does this conform with another statement of Rebbi Yochanan? What did he say about Rebbi Yossi Hagelili and a Talmid of Rebbi Yishmael?

(a) If, according to Rebbi Yashiyah in a Beraisa, the Midas ha'Lach in the Beis-Hamikdash, was anointed both on the inside and on the outside, what did he say about the Midas ha'Yavesh?
(b) Whereas according to Rebbi Yonasan, the Midas ha'Lach was anointed only on the inside. What did he then say about the Midas ha'Yavesh
(c) Who was the Rebbe of Rebbi Yashiyah and Rebbi Yonasan?
(d) To which Talmid of Rebbi Yishmael was Rebbi Yochanan then referring?
(e) What do he and Rebbi Yossi Hagelili hold in common?

(a) How does Rebbi Yonasan prove his opinion from the Pasuk in Emor "mi'Moshvoseichem Tavi'u Lechem Tenufah Shetayim Sh'nei Esronim ... Chametz Te'afenah, Bikurim la'Hashem"?
(b) What causes them to become sanctified at that stage?
(c) How does Rebbi Yashiyah counter that?
(d) Why did Rebbi Yochanan not also say that Rebbi Akiva and Rebbi Yonasan say the same thing?

(a) The Machlokes between Rebbi Yashiyah and Rebbi Yonasan is based on the Pasuk "Vayimshachem Va'yekadesh Osam". According to Rebbi Yashiyah, "Osam" comes to preclude the outside of the Midas ha'Yavesh from Kedushah. On what grounds does Rebbi Yonasan disagree with this? What does "Osam" come to preclude according to him?
(b) What did Rav Papa mean when he queried Rebbi Akiva 've'Ha Ika Bisa be'Lach'? What was the 'Bisa'?
(c) What did Abaye reply?
(d) Then how can Rebbi Yonasan prove that the Midas ha'Yavesh was not sanctified, from the Pasuk that we just quoted (in connection with the Sh'tei ha'Lechem ["mi'Moshvoseichem ... "])? How did he know that the Pasuk was not speaking when he measured the flour in a K'li Chol?

(a) What principle do we learn from the Pasuk in Vayikra "Ki Chol Se'or ve'Chol D'vash Lo Saktiru Mimenu Isheh la'Hashem"?
(b) This La'av incorporates all the cases listed in the Beraisa. What needs to go on the Mizbe'ach from ...
1. ... a Chatas, an Asham, Kodshei Kodshim and Kodshim Kalim?
2. ... Mosar ha'Omer?
3. ... Mosar Sh'tei ha'Lechem?
4. ... Lechem ha'Panim?
5. ... Sheyarei Menachos
(c) On what grounds does the Tana preclude the Sh'tei ha'Lechem and the Lechem ha'Panim from Hagashah (to the south-western Yesod of the Mizbe'ach)?
(d) To what does Rav Sheishes then attribute their insertion in the above list?

(a) What, in connection with the above list, does ...
1. ... Rebbi Yochanan learn from the Pasuk in Vayikra "ve'el ha'Mizbe'ach Lo Ya'alu le'Ratzon"?
2. ... Rebbi Elazar learn from the Pasuk there "Se'or u'Devash Korban Reishis Takrivu Osam"?
(b) Rebbi Yochanan learns from "Osam" like the Beraisa. What does the Tana learn from ...
1. ... "Korban Reishis Takrivu"?
2. ... "Osam"?
(c) Why would we have thought that, if not for ...
1. ... "Takrivu", a Yachid should bring his Nedavah of Se'or or D'vash?
2. ... "Osam", a Tzibur is permitted to bring Se'or as a Korban Nedavah, even though a Yachid is not?
(d) What do we mean by a Nidvas Tzibur, anyway?

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