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Menachos 18


(a) What did Rebbi Yehudah in a Beraisa mean when he said 'ke'she'Halachti ...
  1. ... (either) Lematzas Midosai Eitzel Rebbi Elazar ben Shamua'?
  2. ... (or) Lematas Midosav shel Rebbi Elazar ben Shamua'?
(b) Whom did he see there sitting in front of Rebbi Elazar?

(c) He writes that Rebbi Elazar was particularly fond of Yosef ha'Bavli.
According to a second Lashon, who was fond of what?

(d) What was Rebbi Elazar's reply, when Yosef ha'Bavli asked him what the Din will be in a case where someone Shechted a Korban with the intention of leaving some of the blood until the next day?

(a) How many times did he ask him the She'eilah?

(b) What did Rebbi Elazar add on the fourth occasion?

(c) What did Rebbi Elazar ben Shamua think it was that caused Yosef ha'Bavli to beam with delight?

(d) What did Yosef ha'Bavli say to that? What was the real reason for his joy?

(a) What was Rebbi Elazar's reaction to that?

(b) Why did he quote the Pasuk in Tehilim "Mah Ahavti Torasecha, Kol ha'Yom Hi Sichasi"?

(c) What reason did he give for having added the opinion of Rebbi Eliezer?

(a) What leads us to believe that Rebbi Yehudah could not have been speaking unanymously?

(b) What problem does that create on what we just said?

(c) If on the other hand, Rebbi Yehudah was referring only to Rebbi Eliezer's opinion, what is the problem with Rebbi Elazar's statement 'Hei Mipnei she'Rebbi Yehudah B'no shel Rebbi Ilai ... '?

(d) So how do we conclude? If Rebbi Yehudah's statement was really unanymous, what did Yosef ha'Bavli then mean when he said 'Hechzarta Li Aveidasi'?

(a) What does our Mishnah rule in a case where the Kohen failed to make Yetzikah, Belilah, Pesisah, Melichah, Tenufah or Hagashah?

(b) What does the Tana mean by ...

  1. ... 'Lo Yatzak ve'Lo Balal'?
  2. ... 'Lo Pasas'? To which kind of Minchah does this refer?
(c) Which kind of Minchah require Tenufah?
(a) The Mishnah also validates a Minchah that has been broken into too large pieces.
What is considered the correct size pieces?

(b) Which Menachos require Meshichah (anointing with oil)?

(c) What will be the Din, if the Kohen failed to do this?

(a) When the Tana says 'Lo Yatzak', why can he not mean this literally?

(b) We initially think that he cannot mean 'Lo Yatzak Kohen Ela Zar', because then 'Lo Balal' would also mean 'Lo Balal Kohen Ela Zar'.
What would be wrong with that?

(c) What does the Mishnah in 'ha'Menachos ve'ha'Nesachim' mean when it rules 'Shishim Nivlalin, Shishim ve'Echad, Ein Nivlalin'?

(d) Based on our Mishnah (according to our Sugya's conclusion) 'Lo Balal, Kasher', how does Rebbi Zeira explain the above Mishnah? Why is the latter Minchah not Kasher?

(e) We finally establish 'Lo Yaztzak' to mean 'Lo Yatzak Kohen Ela Zar'.
How do we then solve the problem from 'Lo Balal'?

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(a) What problem do we have with the fact that our Mishnah finds it necessary to insert 'O she'Pitsah Pitin Merubos'?

(b) How do we therefore ...

  1. ... amend 'Pitim Merubos' initially?
  2. ... interpret it even as it is? Why might 'Lo Patas' be even worse than 'Patas Pitim Merubos'?
(a) We cite a Beraisa in which Rebbi Shimon cites fifteen Avodos, including seven concerning the Minchah (though not all of them are exclusive to it): 'Yetzikos, Belilos, Pesisos, Melichos and Tenufos'.
What are the other two?

(b) He lists 'Melikos' concerning Korban ha'Of. Which two additional Avodos does he list with regard to Zevachim?

(c) What does he list regarding 'Sotah', 'Eglah' and 'Metzora'?

(d) The final Avodah on his list is 'Nesi'as Kapayim'.
How does this sub-divide into two Avodos?

(a) What are the direct ramifications of Rebbi Shimon's list?

(b) What does he also learn from the Pasuk in Tzav ...

  1. ... "ha'Makriv es Dam ha'Shelamim ve'es ha'Cheilev ... Lo Tih'yeh Shok ha'Yamin le'Manah"?
  2. ... "mi'B'nei Aharon"?
(c) Why do we now suggest that Rebbi Shimon cannot be the author of our Mishnah?
(a) Rav Nachman answers that our Mishnah speaks by a Minchas Yisrael, whereas Rebbi Shimon speaks by a Minchas Kohen.
How does that answer the Kashya?

(b) Rava queries this answer from the source of Yetzikah by a Minchas Kohen. What is the source? What is Rava's Kashya on Rav Nachman?

(c) In the second Lashon, Rav Nachman differentiates between Menachos that are Nikmatzos and those that are not. What is the difference between the two Leshonos? What does the second Lashon include on the side of a Minchas Kohen?

(d) Rava asks the same Kashya on this Lashon as he asked on the first.
So what do we conclude? Who is the author of our Mishnah?

(a) The Rabbanan (the authors of our Mishnah) learn from the Pasuk in Vayikra "Ve'hevi'ah el B'nei Aharon ha'Kohen, ve'Kamatz"?

(b) How does Rebbi Shimon counter that?

(c) Bearing in mind that the Pasuk in Vayikra "Ve'lakach ha'Kohen mi'Dam ha'Chatas" refers to Kabalas ha'Dam, what does another Beraisa learn from "Ve'lakach ha'Kohen mi'Dam ha'Chatas be'Etzba'o"?

(d) And what does the Tana there learn from "be'Etzba'o Ve'nasan al Karnos ha'Mizbe'ach"?

(a) Rebbi Shimon disagrees, based on the fact that the Torah does not write 'Yad' by Kabalas ha'Dam.
What does he mean by that? with which of the Tana Kama's rulings does he disagree?

(b) How does Abaye establish the source of the Machlokes? How does this pose a problem on what we just said (on the previous Amud) to explain Rebbi Shimon?

(c) So we conclude that Rebbi Shimon requires Kehunah by Yetzikah from "Ve'hevi'ah el B'nei Aharon ha'Kohen".
How does he learn it from there?

(d) In that case, why does Rebbi Shimon not also learn from the 'Vav' in "Ve'nasan al Karnos ha'Mizbe'ach" that Kabalas ha'Dam requires Kehunah like Nesinas ha'Dam?

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