ANSWERS TO REVIEW QUESTIONS
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Menachos 107
(a) Our Mishnah knows that 'Zahav' means a golden Dinar and not ...
1. ... an ingot of gold - because, says Rebbi Elazar, the Tana is speaking
when the Noder specifically mentioned 'a coin'.
(b) Rebbi Elazar explains that 'Kesef' means a Dinar Kesef, and not a lump
of silver, in the same way as he explained it with regard to gold, whereas
Rav Sheishes answers why 'Kesef' does not mean silver P'rutos - by
establishing the Mishnah in a place where silver P'rutos are not common.
2. ... golden P'rutos - because, as Rav Papa explains, one does not tend to
manufacture golden coins of such a small denomination.
(c) According to Rebbi Eliezer ben Ya'akov, the minimum Shi'ur of
'Nechoshes' is enough to manufacture a little fork - which is used to trim
burnt wicks and to remove the spent wicks from lamps.
(a) Acherim in a Beraisa gives the minimum Shi'ur of iron as enough to
manufacture Kalya Oreiv - which is a series of pointed nails stuck on to
the roof of the Heichal (to prevent ravens from alighting on it [see also
Tosfos DH 'Kalya').
(b) We ask what is the minimum Shiur that he must donate. Rav Yosef
answers - a square Amah.
(c) According to others, the Beraisa gives the Shi'ur of iron as a square
Amah - which Rav Yosef then explains can be used to manufacture Kalya Orev.
(a) The minimum Shi'ur that the Tana Kama of our Mishnah gives regarding ...
1. ... wine - is three Lugin.
(b) According to Rebbi, the minimum Shi'ur of oil that a Noder S'tam brings
is - three Lugin.
2. ... oil - is one Log.
(c) The author of the Mishnah must be Rebbi Tarfon (in the previous Perek) -
who validates a Nedavah of oil on its own, and not Rebbi Akiva, who doesn't.
(a) We have already discussed the Tana's source for the three Lugin of wine.
We learn that wine can be brought independently from the Pasuk in Korach
"Ezrach", and that one can bring larger amounts from "Yih'yeh". We know that
1. ... the basic Shi'ur is three Lugin - because that is the smallest amount
that is brought together with a Minchah.
(b) Given that we learn the basic Din of a Nidvas Shemen from that of
Minchas Nedavah (from "Korban", which is written by Minchas Nedavah, as we
shall see shortly), when the Rabbanan explained in front of Rav Papa that
2. ... that one cannot donate less than that - because the Torah writes
"Kachah" (which always comes Le'akev).
1. ... the Rabbanan in our Mishnah give the Shiur of oil as a Log because
they hold 'Don Miynah u'Miynah' they meant - that the latter learn both the
Din of Nidvas Shemen, and the Shi'ur, from Minchas Nedavah (which requires a
Log of oil).
(c) Initially, Rav Papa disagreed with the Rabbanan. When he said that Rebbi
learns his opinion from "Ezrach"- he was referring to the same source as
that from which the Rabbanan learned Nidvas Yayin (i.e. the Parshah of
Minchas Nesachim), in which case he too holds 'Don Miynah u'Miynah'.
2. ... Rebbi gives the Shi'ur as three Lugin, because he holds 'Don Miynah,
ve'Uki be'Asra' they meant - that although he learns the basic Din from a
Minchas Nedavah, he learns the Shi'ur from that of Nesachim.
(d) Rav Huna b'rei de'Rav Yehoshua refutes Rav Papa's explanation from a
Beraisa, which learns the Din of Nidvas Shemen from "Korban" (and not from
"Ezrach"). He is convinced that the author of the Beraisa is Rebbi, and not
the Rabbanan - because the Tana there gives the Shi'ur for oil as three
Lugin (conforming with the opinion of Rebbi).
(a) When our Mishnah concludes 'Pirashti, ve'Eini Yode'a Mah Pirashti, Yavi
ke'Yom Merubeh', it means - that the Noder is obligated to bring the sum
total of Nesachim that one brings together with the Korb'nos Tzibur on the
first day of Succos that falls on Shabbos ...
(b) ... since there is no day in the year that one brings so many Nesachim.
(c) This entails - bringing the Nesachim of the two lambs of the Tamid and
the two lambs of the Musaf of Shabbos; the thirteen bulls, fourteen lambs
and two rams of the Musaf of Succos (three Lugin of wine and of oil for each
lamb, four Lugin for each ram and six Lugin for each bull (the goat of the
Chatas did not require a Nesech), a total of a hundred and forty Lugin of
both wine and oil (Tif'eres Yisrael).
(a) According to the Tana Kama, someone who declares 'Harei Alai Olah' must
bring a male lamb - which is the smallest Olah (which has to be a male) that
is brought from animals.
(b) Rebbi Elazar ben Azaryah - permits him to bring either a pigeon or a
young dove (which could also be brought as an Olah).
(c) Should the Noder remember adding ...
1. ... 'an animal from the family of cattle', but cannot recall which one,
he must bring - a bull and a calf (we will see why later in the Sugya).
(d) Whereas if he does not even remember mentioning animal - he must add a
pigeon or a young dove to the list.
2. ... 'an animal', but cannot recall which one, he is obligated to bring a
bull, a calf, a ram, a goat, a kid and a lamb.
(a) The Tana rules that in a case where the Noder remembers saying 'Harei
Alai Todah u'Shelamim' - a lamb will suffice.
(b) If he remembers specifying, but cannot recall what he said, he is
obligated to bring - a bull, a cow, a male and a female calf, a ram and a
ewe, a goat and a she-goat, and a male and a female kid-goat.
(c) Someone who undertakes to bring a bull, brings a bull including its
Nesachim, to the value of a Manah (twenty-five Sela'im), whereas ...
1. ... a calf including its Nesachim must be worth - five Sela'im.
(d) The Mishnah also rules that, in a case where the Noder undertook to
2. ... a ram and a lamb including their respective Nesachim - two Sela'im
and one Sela, respectively.
1. ... 'Shor be'Manah', 'Eigel ba'Chameish', 'Ayil bi'She'tayim' or 'Keves
be'Sela' - the animal itself (besides the Nesachim) must be worth the above
2. ... 'Shor be'Manah', and he brings two worth half a Manah each (or even
if each one is worth a Manah minus a Dinar) - he is not Yotzei.
3. ... a black ox, and he brings a white one, or vice-versa - he is not
Yotzei, and neither is he Yotzei if he undertook to bring ...
4. ... a big ox, and he brings a small one.
(a) The Tana Kama validates a large ox that one brings instead of a small
one. Rebbi however - invalidates it.
(b) Regarding the 'Machlokes' between the Tana Kama ('Yavi Keves') and Rebbi
Elazar ben Azaryah ('O Tor O ben Yonah') in the Reisha of our Mishnah, we
comment - that the Tana'im do not really argue, only each one presented the
species that cost less in his area.
(c) The Beraisa rules that someone who declares ...
1. ... 'Harei Alai Olah le'Mizbe'ach be'Sela' - brings a lamb, since that is
the only animal that is officially brought on the Mizbe'ach to the value of
a Sela (as we just learned).
2. ... 'Pirashti, ve'Eini Yode'a Mah Pirashti' - then he must bring on the
Mizbe'ach all the kinds that one can purchase for a Sela.
(a) In the case of 'Pirashti min ha'Bakar, ve'Eini Yode'a Mah Pirashti', our
Mishnah obligates the Noder to bring a calf as well as a bull - because the
author is Rebbi, who holds 'Katan Ve'heivi Gadol Lo Yatza'.
(b) The problem with the continuation of the Mishnah 'Shor be'Manah ve'Heivi
Shenayim be'Manah Lo Yatza ... Shachor ve'Heivi Lavan ... Katan Ve'heivi
Gadol, Yatza. Rebbi Omer Lo Yatza' is - that it seems odd for the Reisha to
go Like Rebbi, the Metzi'asa, like the Chachamim and the Seifa, again like
(c) We solve the problem - by explaining that, after issuing a ruling like
Rebbi, the Tana goes on to teach us that this ruling is not unanimous, but
the opinion of Rebbi, with whom the Rabbanan argue.
(a) Chizkiyah explains that 'Shishah li'Nedavah' (the Mishnah in Shekalim
that we cited earlier), corresponds to the six Batei Avos of the Kohanim -
with reference to the six groups into which each Beis-Av is divided, each of
which served one weekday of the week.
(b) Each Beis-Av required a separate box - to prevent them from quarreling
over the skins from the Olos Tzibur purchased from the box, when it
transpired that one Beis-Av received less skins than another (due to the
varied sums that were removed each day from the box). Now however, that each
Beis-Av had its own box, there was nothing to quarrel about.
(a) According to Rebbi Yochanan, the distribution of the money into six
boxes was to prevent the coins from going bad (due to the otherwise
excessive weight); according to Ze'iri, they corresponded to the six animals
from which an Olah can be brought - bulls and calves, rams and lambs, goats
(b) And what the Mishnah mean is - that someone who wanted to bring a bull
for an Olah, would place a Manah in the box marked 'Par'; if he wanted to
bring a calf, he would place five Shekalim in the box marked 'Eigel' ... .
On the same day, the Kohanim would empty the boxes, purchase the animals
with the money, and sacrifice them in the name of their respective donors.
(c) The author of the Mishnah in Shekalim must then be Rebbi - who holds
'Katan ve'Heivi Gadol, Lo Yatza', because according to the Rabbanan, they
could place the money for calves into the box marked 'Parim', and the money
for lambs into the box marked 'Eilim', and it would not matter if the
Kohanim would purchase a bull instead of two calves, or a ram instead of two
(a) bar Pada attributes the six boxes to 'ha'Parim, ve'ha'Eilim,
ve'ha'Kevasim, ve'ha'Se'irim, ve'ha'Mosaros, ve'ha'Ma'ah'. What the first
four have in common is - the fact that they all contain the proceeds of a
Korban that was lost, and after being found, it was sent into the field
until it became blemished. Then it was sold, and the proceeds were placed
into the appropriate box.
(b) 'Parim' refers to the bulls of the Par He'elam Davar shel Tzibur -
'Eilim', to the rams of the Asham Gezeilos and Asham Me'ilos, 'Kevasim', to
the lambs of the Asham Nazir and Asham Metzora and 'Se'irim' to the Chata'os
Tzibur of the Yamim-Tovim.
(c) Even though the Eilim and the Kevasim were all Ashamos, they
nevertheless required separate boxes - because whereas the former came to
atone, the latter came to prepare, the one, to begin his Nezirus de'Taharah,
and the other, to enter the camp.
(d) In the box marked ...
1. ... 'Mosros', they would place - money that had been designated for any
of the above, if the price dropped after the designation, resulting in money
being left over after the animal had been purchased.
2. ... 'Ma'ah' - two Shutfim who paid their annual half-Shekel jointly,
would place the Ma'ah surcharge that was levied on them, to compensate what
they gained by paying only one 'Kalbon' (the little extra that one paid
Hekdesh over and above the half-Shekel), instead of two.