POINT BY POINT SUMMARY
Prepared by Rabbi P. Feldman
of Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
Ask A Question on the daf
Previous daf Menachos 98
MENACHOS 96-99 - Two weeks of study material have been dedicated by Mrs.
Estanne Abraham Fawer to honor the fourth Yahrzeit of her father, Reb
Mordechai ben Eliezer Zvi (Weiner), who passed away 18 Teves 5760. May the
merit of supporting and advancing Talmud study during the week of his
Yahrzeit serve as an Iluy for his Neshamah.
1) THE "AMOS" OF THE "MIKDASH" (cont.)
(a) Answer #3: Rather, "V'Chek ha'Amah" is the height of the
base, "v'Amah Rochav" is the width of the base (each of
these is five Tefachim), "u'Gevulah El Sefasah Soviv" is
the height of the corners, it does not matter if this is
five or six Tefachim (because the Sovev was six Tefachim
wide, in any case the Ma'arachah was less than 25 Amos,
it is not difficult if the Navi calls it 24.)
2) A CURE FROM THE "MIKDASH"
(b) Question: How tall is the Mizbe'ach?
(c) Answer: It is 58 Tefachim (the base and corners are
five-Tefachim Amos, the others are six), half the height
is 29; six Tefachim above this is the Sovev, for it is 23
Tefachim below the top.
1. (Beraisa): If he squeezed out the blood even an Amah
below his legs, it is Kosher.
(d) Support: Presumably, this is right - "V'Chek ha'Amah
v'Amah Rochav", the verse changes form 'Chek' to 'Rochav'
to teach that they are different (one refers to height,
the other to width.)
(e) Question: What is a medium Amah?
(f) Answer (R. Yochanan): It is six Tefachim.
(g) Support (R. Yosi bar Avin - Mishnah - R. Meir): The
Shulchan was 12 Tefachim long and six Tefachim wide.
(Above (97A), R. Meir said that all Amos of the Mikdash
(except for the Mizbe'ach) are medium.)
(h) Question: If it is called a medium Amah, this implies
that there is a bigger Amah!
(i) Answer: Yes!
(j) (Mishnah): There were two rods for measuring an Amah in
Shushan ha'Birah (a place in the Mikdash, see below), one
was half an Etzba (finger) bigger than the (six Tefachim)
Amah of Moshe, the other was one Etzba bigger.
(k) Question: Why were there different Midos?
(l) Answer: Workers (who contracted to build for Hekdesh)
would be hired (to build) according to the Amah of Moshe,
what they made was measured by a larger Midah, so they
would not be overpaid and transgress Me'ilah. (Tosfos -
they did not want to be overpaid, but in any case they
would not transgress Me'ilah.)
(m) (Mishnah): There was a picture of Shushan ha'Birah on top
of the eastern gate. (This Mishnah discusses gates of Har
ha'Bayis. The Rashash questions those who say it was the
eastern gate of the Azarah (Rashi here) or of the Ezras
Nashim (R. Shimshon).)
(n) Question: What is the reason?
(o) Answer #1 (Rav Chisda or R. Yitzchak bar Avodimi): It was
to remind Yisrael from where they came (to make them
grateful to Hash-m for redeeming them);
(p) Answer #2 (The other of Rav Chisda and R. Yitzchak bar
Avodimi): It was to put the fear of the Persian kingdom
upon them (so they would not rebel.)
(q) (R. Yanai): A person should have the fear of the kingdom
- Moshe told Paro "V'Yordu Chol Avadecha Eleh Elai
v'Hishtachavu Li" (Paro himself would come and bow, Moshe
euphemistically attributed this to Paro's servants.)
(r) (R. Yochanan): We can learn from "...Eliyahu vay'Shanes
Masnav va'Yaratz Lifnei Ach'av" (for it is not honorable
for a king to be unattended.)
(a) Question: What does it mean "V'Alehu *li'Srufah*"
(regarding the river from the Kodesh ha'Kodoshim)?
3) THE SIZE OF THE PILES
(b) Answer #1 (R. Yitzchak bar Avodimi or Rav Chisda):
LehaTiR Peh (to open the mouth, i.e. cures muteness
(Rashi) or gives appetite to eat (Aruch));
(c) Answer #2 (the other of R. Yitzchak bar Avodimi and Rav
Chisda, also Bar Kapara): It opens the lower mouth (womb,
i.e. cures barren women).
(d) Answer #3 (Chizkiyah): It cures muteness. (According to
Rashi, Chizkiyah agrees with Answer #1.)
(a) (Beraisa): Had it said 'V'Lakachta Soles v'Afisa Osam
Shteim Esreh Chalos v'Samta Osam Shtayim Ma'arachos',
without saying 'six', we would have taught that the piles
need not be even, e.g. one could be four and the other
eight - therefore, it says 'Shesh";
4) THE PLACEMENT OF THE "KELIM"
1. Had it said 'Shtayim Ma'arachos Shesh
ha'Ma'areches', without saying '12', we would have
thought that there are three piles of six -
therefore, it says "Shteim Esreh";
2. Had it said 'Shteim Esreh Chalos' and 'Ma'arachos',
without saying 'two' and 'six', we would have
thought that there may be three piles of four -
therefore, it says "Shtayim" and "Shesh";
(b) Summation: All of these are needed to teach that there
are two piles of six.
(c) If one pile has four and the other eight, the Mitzvah was
(d) Question: If each pile has seven, was the Mitzvah
(e) Answer (Rebbi): We ignore the top Chalah in each pile (it
is as if each has six, the Mitzvah was fulfilled.)
(f) Question: But we must fulfill "V'Nasata Al" (the Bazichei
Levonah must be on top of the Lechem ha'Panim - the extra
Chalah in each piles is a Chatzizah!)
(g) Answer (Rav Chisda or Rav Hamnuna): We know that Rebbi
holds that "Al" can mean 'near' (the Bazichim are placed
in between the Ma'arachos):
1. (Beraisa - Rebbi): "V'Nasata *Al* ha'Ma'areches
Levonah Zakah" - "Al" means nearby;
2. Suggestion: Perhaps it literally means 'on'!
3. Rejection: "V'Sakosa *Al* ha'Aron Es ha'Paroches"
(we know that the Paroches was not over the Aron,
surely) this means 'near'.
(a) (Mishnah): All Kelim in the Mikdash...
(b) (Beraisa): All Kelim in the Mikdash are placed lengthwise
towards the length of the Mikdash (east-west), except for
the Aron, its length is towards the width of the Mikdash
- so it was placed, and so were its staves.
(c) Question: What does this mean?
(d) Answer: We know that the Aron was placed this way
(north-south) on account of its staves (which were
(e) Question: How do we know that the staves must be
1. Answer (Beraisa) Suggestion: "Va'Ya'arichu ha'Badim"
- perhaps the staves did not touch the Paroches!
2. Rejection: "Va'Yira'u" (they were seen.)
3. Question: This suggests that they stuck out of a
hole in the Paroches!
4. Rejection: "V'Lo Yera'u ha'Chutzah".
5) ADDITIONAL "SHULCHANOS" AND "MENOROS"
5. Resolution: They press against the Paroches and
cause humps to stick out - "Dodi Li Bein Shadai
Yalin". (The Paroches is east-west.)
(f) Question: How do we know that the staves go along the
width of the Aron (i.e. the length of the Aron is between
the staves) - perhaps they go along its length!
(g) Answer (Rav Yehudah): (The Aron is carried by two men in
front standing side by side between the staves, and by
two similarly positioned in back.) Two men cannot fit in
one and a half Amos (the Aron's width - rather, its
length (two and a half Amos) is between the staves!)
1. (Regarding the size of a Mikvah, we say that an
average person is one Amah wide - this is like one
opinion in Sukah (7B). Burial caves were made an
Amah wide (this includes the thickness of the
coffin), suggesting that people are less than an
Amah; the other opinion in Sukah (8A) says that
people are two thirds of an Amah wide. Perhaps it is
not *proper* for two people to walk side by side in
one and a half Amos, even though it is possible.)
(h) Question: What is the source that four men carry the
(i) Answer: "V'Nos'u ha'Kehasim" - this teaches about two;
"Nos'ei ha'Mikdash" teaches another two.
(a) (Beraisa): Shlomo made 10 Shulchanos - "Va'Ya'as
Shulchanos Asarah va'Yanach ba'Heichal Chamishah mi'Yamin
6) WHICH WAY THE TABLES FACED
(b) Question: If this means that five were to the right *of
the opening* (of the Heichal) and five to its left, the
latter were in the south half of the Heichal - but it
says, "Veha'Shulchan Titen Al Tzela Tzafon"!
(c) Answer: It means, five were to the right of Moshe's
Shulchan and five to its left.
(d) (Beraisa): Shlomo made 10 Menoros - "Va'Ya'as Es Menoros
ha'Zahav Eser k'Mishpatam va'Yiten ba'Heichal Chamesh
mi'Yamin va'Chamesh mi'Smol".
(e) Question: If five were to the right of the opening and
five to its left, the former were in the north - but it
says, "V'Es ha'Menorah Nochach ha'Shulchan"!
(f) Answer: It means, five were to the right of Moshe's
Menorah and five to its left.
(g) (Beraisa #1): The Shulchanos were in the inner half (of
(h) (Beraisa #2): They were (all at least) a third of the way
(i) Resolution: (The length of the Heichal (east-west) spans
40 Amos of (plain) Kodesh, and 20 Amos of Kodesh
ha'Kodoshim. Both Beraisos agree that the Shulchanos
began 20 Amos into the Kodesh:)
1. Beraisa #1 teaches that they were in the inner half
of the Kodesh, Beraisa #2 teaches that they were a
third of the way into the (entire) Heichal.
(a) (Beraisa - Rebbi): The Shulchanos were aligned east-west;
(b) R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon says, they were north-south.
(c) Rebbi learns from the Menorah - just like it was
east-west, also the Shulchanos;
(d) Question: What is the source for the Menorah?
(e) Answer: Regarding the Ner Ma'aravi (the westernmost lamp
(Tosfos - of the two easternmost lamps)) it says
"Ya'aroch *Oso*...Lifnei Hash-m", i.e. it is more Lifnei
Hash-m (i.e. close to the Kodesh ha'Kodoshim in the west)
than the others;
1. If the Menorah was north-south, none of them is more
west than the others!
(f) R. Elazar learns from the Aron - just like it was
north-south, also the Shulchanos.
(g) Question: Why doesn't Rebbi learn from the Aron?
(h) Answer: (He says that) we learn (Kelim of the) Kodesh
from Kodesh, not from the Kodesh ha'Kodoshim.
(i) Question: Why doesn't R. Elazar learn from the Menorah?
(j) Answer: (He says that) the Menorah itself was
(k) Question: But it says "Ya'aroch *Oso*...(Lifnei Hash-m)"!
(l) Answer: They would tilt the (wick of the) central lamp to
1. (Beraisa): "El Mul Penei ha'Menorah Ya'iru Shiv'as
ha'Neros" - this teaches that the six lamps of the
branches are tilted towards the middle lamp.
(m) (Each Shulchan was like Moshe's, i.e. two Amos long and
one Amah wide.) According to Rebbi, the Shulchanos were
east-west, we understand how they fit in the Kodesh (the
total length is 20 Amos, the Kodesh is 40 Amos long);
2. R. Noson says, this teaches that the middle is most
praiseworthy (Rashi - when three people read from
the Torah, the second should read the most verses;
Tosfos - when three walk together, the greatest of
them should be in the middle.)
(n) Questions: According to R. Elazar, who says that they
1. Question #1: One cannot squeeze them into the 20
Amos width of the Kodesh without any space in
2. Question #2: If so, they filled the entire width of
the Kodesh, Kohanim could not pass through (to enter
the Kodesh ha'Kodoshim on Yom Kipur, or for Avodas
Lechem ha'Panim (the new bread is placed on the
Shulchan at the same time that the old Lechem is
removed from the other side of the Shulchan)!)
3. Question #3: Five of the Shulchanos are in the
4. Question #4: There was no room for Moshe's Shulchan!
5. Counter-question: Also according to Rebbi, there was
no room for Moshe's Shulchan (we learned that all
the Shulchanos were in the inner half of the