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1) "ASHAM METZORA SHE'LO LISHMAH"
(a) Answer #2 (Rava): The lambs of the Omer and Tamid are
Olos, if they are not brought like Chovos (like their
original laws), they are Nedavos;
2) "MIDOS GEDUSHOS" AND "MIDOS MECHUKOS"
1. R. Yochanan specifically taught Asham Metzora, if it
is not brought like Chovah (with Nesachim), it
cannot be a Nedavah.
(b) Support (for R. Yochanan - Beraisa): If Asham Metzora was
slaughtered Lo Lishmah, or if its blood was not put on
the Behonos, it is offered on the Mizbe'ach, it requires
Nesachim; the Metzora must bring another Asham.
(a) (Mishnah): All the measures in the Mikdash were Gedushos
(when they are overflowing, the measure is complete),
except (those used for Chavitim) of the Kohen Gadol,
which were Mechukos (they properly contain the full
3) "BIRUTZEI MIDOS"
(b) Birutzim (drops that spill over the brim when a Kli is
filled to overflowing) of wet measures are Kodesh, those
of dry measures are Chulin;
(c) R. Akiva says, wet measures are Kodesh, therefore their
Birutzim are Kodesh; dry measures are Chulin, therefore
their Birutzim are Chulin;
(d) R. Yosi says, this is not the reason - rather, liquids
are Ne'ekar (when a vessel is filled to overflowing,
liquid that was inside is pushed outside, it already
became Kodesh), solids are not Ne'ekar.
(e) (Gemara) Question: (The Mishnah says that all the
measures were Gedushos, except of the Kohen Gadol -) who
is the Tana?
1. This is unlike R. Meir - he holds that there was
only one Gadush measure (an Isaron, and two Mechukos
for Chavitim, Isaron and half-Isaron);
(f) Answer (Rav Chisda): It is like R. Meir - it means, all
the *measurings* were Gedushos...
2. This is unlike Chachamim - they hold that there was
only one measure (other than the Machuk half-Isaron
for Chavitim), it was (also) Machuk!
(a) (Mishnah): Birutzim of wet measures are Kodesh.
(b) Question: What do they argue about?
(c) Answer: The first Tana holds that wet measures were
Mekudashos (with Shemen ha'Mishchah) on the inside and
outside, dry measures were Mekudashos only on the inside;
1. R. Akiva holds that wet measures were Mekudashos on
the inside and outside, dry measures were not
Mekudashos at all (what is put inside only gets
Kedushas Peh, i.e. the person says that it should be
Kodesh, he is Mekadesh only what he needs, not
(d) Question: A person intends to Mekadesh only what he
needs, being Ne'ekar does not make things Kodesh!
2. R. Yosi holds that both of them were Mekudashos only
on the inside - Birutzim of wet measures are Kodesh
because liquids are Ne'ekar, they were once in the
(e) Answer #1 (Rav Dimi bar Shishna): This teaches that Kli
Shares Mekadesh without a person's intent.
(f) Answer #2 (Ravina): We can say that Kli Shares are not
Mekadesh without intent - Chachamim decreed that Birutzim
of wet measures are Kodesh, lest people think that we may
use (for Chulin) things that were in a Kli Shares.
(g) Question (R. Zeira - Mishnah): If Lechem ha'Panim was put
on the Shulchan after Shabbos and the Bazichei Levonah
were Huktar the following Shabbos, the bread is Pasul;
1. Rather, the bread must be left on the Shulchan from
Shabbos to Shabbos (in this case, 13 days after it
was put there, only then we Maktir the Levonah), it
is no problem to leave the bread on the Shulchan for
(h) Answer: That does not disprove Ravina - Lechem ha'Panim
is in the Heichal, only Kohanim know how long it was
there (they are zealous, we are not concerned that they
will err), but measures are used outside the Heichal,
everyone can see Birutzim being used for Chulin, people
2. According to Ravina, we should decree that it is
Pasul, lest people think that Linah does not apply
to something in a Kli Shares, even if left longer
than is proper!
(i) (Mishnah): Mosar (extra) Nesachim are used to buy Kitz
ha'Mizbe'ach (Olos Tzibur to bring when the Mizbe'ach is
(j) Question: What is Mosar Nesachim?
(k) Answer #1 (R. Chiya bar Yosef): It is Birutzei Midos.
(l) Answer #2 (R. Yochanan): It is Hekdesh's profit from
changing prices (like the following):
i. (Mishnah): If Ploni agreed to supply Soles (to
Hekdesh) at the price of four (Sa'im per Sela),
and the price rose to three, he supplies at the
rate of four;
4) WHICH "KORBANOS" REQUIRE "NESACHIM"?
(m) One Beraisa supports R. Chiya bar Yosef, another supports
ii. If he agreed to supply at the price of three,
and the price declined to four, he supplies at
the rate of four;
iii. This is because Hekdesh has the upper hand.
(n) (Beraisa #1): If there is a Korban in the Azarah (without
Nesachim), Birutzei Midos may be used for it;
1. If Lanu (our text, i.e. they were left overnight;
the text in the Tosefta is 'Lav', i.e. if they were
not used for it), they are Nifsalim on account of
(o) (Beraisa #2): If Ploni agreed to supply (to Hekdesh) at
the price of four and the price rose to three, or
vice-versa, he supplies at the rate of four - this is
because Hekdesh has the upper hand;
2. If no Korban is around, they are (redeemed and) used
for Kitz ha'Mizbe'ach, i.e. Olos, the meat is
Huktar, the Kohanim receive the skin
1. About this profit we learned 'Mosar Nesachim are
used to buy Kitz ha'Mizbe'ach.'
(a) (Mishnah): All Korbanos, of the Tzibur or of individuals,
require Nesachim, except for Bechor, Ma'aser, Pesach, and
(most cases of) Chatas and Asham;
1. The Chatas and Asham of a Metzora require Nesachim.
(b) (Gemara - Beraisa) Suggestion: "V'Asisem *Isheh* la'Sh-m"
- perhaps everything Huktar requires Nesachim, even a
1. Rejection: "Olah".
2. Question: What is the source that Shelamim requires
3. Answer: "Zevach".
4. Question: What is the source that Todah requires
5. Answer: "*O* Zevach".
6. Suggestion: Perhaps we include even Bechor, Ma'aser,
Pesach, Chatas and Asham!
7. Rejection: "Lefalei Neder O vi'Ndavah" - only
Korbanos that can be brought for Nedavah require
8. Suggestion: We should exclude obligatory Korbanos of
the festivals, i.e. Olos Re'iyah and Shalmei
9. Rejection: "O b'Mo'adeichem" - anything (that must
be) brought on the festival requires Nesachim.
10. Suggestion: We should include the Chatas (goat) that
is part of Musaf on each day of the festival, it is
11. Rejection - Question: "V'Chi Sa'aseh Ven Bakar" -
the Parshah already mentioned cattle and flock, why
does it mention cattle again?
i. Answer: The verse discusses a bull brought for
Nedavah, it teaches that only (kinds of)
Korbanos that can be brought for Nedavah
require Nesachim (e.g. Olos and Shelamim, even
Chovos of the festival, but not Chata'os.)
12. Question: What do we learn from "La'asos Re'ach
Nicho'ach la'Sh-m Min ha'Bakar O Min ha'Tzon"?
13. Answer #1 (R. Yoshiyah): Since it says "Olah", one
might have thought that even Olas ha'Of is included;
i. "Min ha'Bakar O Min ha'Tzon" (only animals, not
14. Objection (R. Yonason): We do not need this to
exclude birds - it says "Zevach", Korbanos ha'Of are
15. Question: What does R. Yonason learn from "La'asos
Re'ach...Min ha'Bakar O Min ha'Tzon"?
16. Answer: Since it says "Adam Ki Yakriv...Min
ha'Behemah Min ha'Bakar *u*'Min ha'Tzon", one might
have thought that one who vows to bring an Olah must
bring a bull *and* Seh - "Min ha'Bakar O Min
ha'Tzon" teaches that he need not bring more than
one of them.
17. Question: According to R. Yonason, why must it say
"O" - he holds that even (the prefix) 'Vov' connotes
'or', unless it explicitly says 'Yachdav' (together,
like it says regarding Kilayim!)
18. Answer: Since it says "Adam...*U*'Min ha'Tzon" (and
it could have omitted the 'Vov'), it is as if it
19. Question: R. Yoshiyah holds that 'Vov' connotes and,
even if it does not say 'Yachdav' - what is his
source that a vow to bring 'Olah' does not obligate
bringing a bull *and* Seh?
20. Answer: It says "Im Olah Korbano Min ha'Bakar"
i. R. Yonason says, this verse is not enough - one
might have thought, if one specifically vows to
bring only one, this suffices, but if he vows
without specifying, he must bring both.