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MENACHOS 83 (3 Teves) - the Dafyomi material for today has been dedicated to
the memory of Hagaon Rav Yisroel Zev Gustman Ztz"L (author of "Kuntresei
Shiurim") and his wife, Rebbetzin Sarah Gustman (daughter of Hagaon Rav Meir
Bassin, a Dayan in Vilna) in honor of the Yahrzeit of the Rebbetzin.
Sponsored by a number of Rav Gustman's Talmidim (Y. Wachtel, M. Starr, S.
Ribner, M. Kornfeld).
1) "KODSHEI KODOSHIM" ARE COMPARED TO EACH OTHER
(a) (Continuation of R. Eliezer's teaching): Just like
Minchah is eaten only by male Kohanim, also all of these
1. Question: Which Korbanos are learned from this?
(b) Just like absorptions of Chatas forbid (if a food absorbs
from Chatas, it has all the restrictions of the Chatas),
also all Korbanos.
2. Answer #1: We learn about Chatas and Asham.
3. Rejection: Another verse explicitly teaches about
4. Answer #2: We learn about Shalmei Tzibur.
5. Question: Another verse teaches about them!
i. "B'Kodesh ha'Kodoshim Tochalenu Kol Zachar
Yochal Oso" - this teaches that Shalmei Tzibur
may be eaten only by male Kohanim.
6. Answer: Tana'im argue about the source of this -
some learn from "B'Kodesh ha'Kodoshim...", R.
Eliezer learns from the Hekesh to Minchah.
(c) Just like there is no Kedushah to a fetus or fetal sac
inside an Asham (it is male, it cannot have a fetus or
fetal sac inside), there is no Kedushah to a fetus or
fetal sac inside any Korban;
1. R. Eliezer holds that the child of a Korban is not
Kodesh until it is born, and that we learn possible
(d) Just like Nosar meat of Milu'im must be burned, but not
Mosar (live) animals, the same applies to all Korbanos.
(e) Just like (intent Chutz li'Zmano in) Shelamim can Mefagel
(its Nesachim) and it can become Pigul, the same applies
to all Korbanos.
(f) (Beraisa - R. Akiva): "Zos ha'Torah..." - just like
absorptions of Minchah forbid, also all Korbanos;
1. The Torah must teach absorptions of Chatas and of
(g) Just like Chatas must be brought from Chulin money,
during the day, and using the right hand (for Zerikah),
also all Korbanos.
i. If it only taught Minchah, one might have
thought only Minchah forbids, for it is soft,
it is easily absorbed;
ii. If it only taught Chatas, one might have
thought only Chatas forbids, for fatty meat
1. Question: What is the source that Chatas must be
(h) Just like bones of Asham are permitted, also bones of all
Korbanos, (The Torah permitted all the meat (except for
the Eimurim) to Kohanim, and Nosar does not apply to the
bones; alternatively, we learn from "Lo Yihyeh".)
2. Answer (Rav Chisda): "V'Hikriv Aharon Es Par
ha'Chatas Asher Lo" - it must be his, it cannot be
of Ma'aser (this refers to Par Yom Kipur, all
Chata'os have the same law.)
3. Question: "B'Yom Tzavoso..." teaches that all
Korbanos must be brought during the day!
4. Answer: Indeed, we do not learn this from Chatas, it
was taught for no reason.
5. Question: We learn the right hand from Rabah bar bar
i. (Rabah bar bar Chanah): 'Etzba' or 'Kehunah'
(by itself) always teaches that the right hand
is required (and regarding every Korban, it
6. Answer: Indeed, we do not learn this from Chatas, it
was taught for no reason.
(i) Question: What does R. Akiva learn from "V'Zavachta
Pesach"? (He does not need it to teach that Pesach comes
from Chulin, like R. Eliezer did.)
(j) Answer: He learns Rav Nachman's law.
***** PEREK KOL KORBANOS HA'TZIBUR ****
1. (Rav Nachman): Mosar Pesach (money Hukdash for
Pesach that was not needed; alternatively, Chalifas
Pesach) is offered like a Shelamim - "V'Zavachta
(k) Question #1: Shmuel's father gave a different source for
i. Question: Korban Pesach cannot be Bakar
(cattle), only a lamb or goat!
ii. Answer: Rather, it teaches that Mosar Pesach
becomes a Korban that can be (any, i.e. male or
female) cattle or flock, i.e. Shelamim (Rashi
in Zevachim; Rashi Kesav Yad - Pesach was
Hukdash to be eaten, so its Mosar does not
become an Olah.)
1. (Shmuel's father): "V'Im Min ha'Tzon" - (Mosar of)
something brought from Tzon (i.e. Pesach) is
(l) Question #2: There is a third source for this!
1. (Beraisa): "Kesev" - this includes the tail of a
lamb that is a Pesach (it is considered Eimurim, it
(m) Answer (to both questions): There are three verses, they
teach about three kinds of Mosar Pesach (all become
2. "Im Kesev" includes a Pesach above one year and a
Shelamim that comes on account of Pesach (Rashi -
Mosar Pesach; Rashi Kesav Yad - the Chagigah of Erev
Pesach (for satiation before eating the Pesach);
Tosfos - Temuras Pesach);
i. These are like Shelamim in all respects, i.e.
they require Semichah, Nesachim and Tenufah of
the chest and foreleg.
2. "V'Im Ez" separates, to teach that the tail of a
goat is not part of the Eimurim.
1. After its first year and after Pesach passed (the
same applies to before Pesach);
(n) The Torah must teach all three cases.
2. Within its first year and after Pesach passed;
3. Within its first year before Pesach came (e.g.
1. If it only taught the first, one might have thought
that only then it is Shelamim, because it is totally
unfit for Pesach; but not within its first year
after Pesach, for it is still fit for Pesach Sheni;
2. If it only taught the first two cases, one might
have thought that only then it is Shelamim, because
it is unfit for Pesach Rishon; but not within its
first year before Pesach, for then it is still fit
for Pesach Rishon.
2) THE GRAIN USED FOR "MENACHOS"
(a) (Mishnah): All (Menachos of) Korbanos Tzibur may come
from Eretz Yisrael or Chutz la'Aretz and from Chadash or
Yashan, except for the Omer and Shtei ha'Lechem, which
must come from Chadash of Eretz Yisrael.
(b) All Menachos must come from choice grain;
1. The best places for Soles are Machnis and Zatcha,
next best is Aforayim in the valley.
(c) (Gemara): Our Mishnah is unlike the following Tana:
2. All places in Eretz Yisrael are Kesherim, they would
bring from here for these are the best.
1. (Beraisa): If the Omer or Shtei ha'Lechem was
brought from Yashan, it is Kosher, but a Mitzvah was
2. Regarding the Omer it says "Takriv Es Minchas
Bikurecha" - even from the attic (Yashan, not
harvested for the sake of the Omer);
3. Regarding Shtei ha'Lechem it says "Mi'Moshvoseichem
Tavi'u" - not from Chutz la'Aretz;
"Mi'Moshvoseichem" - even from the attic.
4. Question: We already expounded this!
5. Answer: The latter law is learned from "Tavi'u"
(this is extra, for before this it says
6. Question: We used this to teach that whatever you
bring similar to this (i.e. Chametz, in Todah)
should be the same size, one Isaron per loaf!
7. Answer: It could have said 'Tavi' - rather, it says
"Tavi'u", to also teach about Lachmei Todah.
8. Question: But (regarding both of them) it says
9. Answer: That is l'Chatchilah, b'Diavad Yashan is
10. Question: But (regarding Shtei ha'Lechem) it says
11. Answer (Beraisa - R. Noson and R. Akiva): Shtei
ha'Lechem from Yashan is Kosher;
i. It says "Chadashah" - to fulfill this, it must
precede all Menachos of Chadash.