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Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous daf Menachos 53
1) THE SOURCE THAT ALL "MENACHOS" ARE "MATZAH"
(a) (Gemara - Rav Freida) Question: What is the source that
all Menachos are Matzah?
2) COMMON ATTRIBUTES
1. Objection (R. Ami): This is obvious! Regarding some
Menachos it says "Matzah"; we learn the others from
"V'Zos Toras ha'Minchah... Veha'Noseres...Matzos
(b) Answer #1 (R. Ami): We learn that from "Lo Se'afeh
Chametz" - rather, Matzah.
2. Rav Freida: I know the source that l'Chatchilah,
they must be Matzah - I asked for the source that
this is Me'akev.
(c) Objection #1 (Rav Chisda): Why don't we expound "Lo
Se'afeh Chametz", rather, *Sei'or* (partially fermented
1. Question: Which definition of Sei'or could this be?
(d) Objection #2 (Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak): Why don't we
expound "Lo Se'afeh Chametz", rather, Chalut (scalded in
i. According to R. Yehudah, it cannot be what R.
Meir calls Sei'or (a dough that starts
darkening) - R. Yehudah considers this to be
proper Matzah (if so, Rav Chisda had no
2. Answer: It is according to R. Yehudah, what he
himself calls Sei'or.
ii. According to R. Meir, it cannot be what R.
Yehudah calls Sei'or (a dough with cracks
resembling grasshopper antennae) - R. Meir
considers this to be proper Chametz!
iii. According to R. Meir, it cannot be what he
himself calls Sei'or - since he says that one
is lashed for eating it on Pesach, it is
(e) Answer: Chalut is "Revichah" - only Menachos which the
Torah says should be Revichah are made Revichah.
(f) Rejection: Perhaps the Torah commands to make some
Menachos Revichah, the others may be Revichah or Matzah!
(g) Objection #3 (Ravina): We should say that "Lo Se'afeh
Chametz" is a Lav forbidding making them Chametz, but
this does not Posel Menachos!
(h) Answer #2 (Beraisa) Suggestion: "Matzah" - perhaps this
is only a Mitzvah (l'Chatchilah!)
1. Rejection: "Sihyeh" - it is Me'akev.
(i) Question (Rav Freida): What is the source (of the next
Mishnah, 55A) that (since) all Menachos are kneaded with
lukewarm water, we must Shomer (guard) them from becoming
Chametz (by constantly working with the dough?)
(j) Answer #1 (R. Ami): We learn from Pesach, there it says
"U'Shmartem Es ha'Matzos".
(k) Answer #2 (Rav Freida): We can learn from the Parshah of
Menachos itself, it says "Matzah Sihyeh" - ensure that it
(l) Question: We already expounded "Sihyeh" to teach that
Matzah is Me'akev!
(m) Answer: If the Torah only wanted to teach that Matzah is
Me'akev, it should have said 'Matzah Hi';
1. Rather, it says "Matzah Sihyeh", to also teach
(a) Rabanan: R. Ezra, the grandson of R. Avtulmus is outside
- he is a 10th generation descendant of R. Elazar ben
Azaryah, who is a 10th generation descendants of Ezra!
(b) Rav Freida: If he is a Chacham descended from Chachamim,
that is great;
1. If he descends from Chachamim but is not a Chacham,
fire will consume him! (Tzon Kodoshim - Chachamim
are not burned in Gehinom.)
(c) Rav Freida saw that R. Ezra (Rashi; R. Gershom - R. Ezra
saw that Rav Freida) felt bad, he said the following to
1. "Amarta la'Sh-m Elokim Ata Tovasi Bal Alecha" -
Keneses Yisrael said to Hash-m, You should be
grateful to me, I made You known in the world!
(d) R. Ezra (according to R. Gershom - Rav Freida): Hash-m
said (at the time of Kri'as Yam Suf), let the Adir
(Mighty One) take vengeance for Adirim from Adirim in
2. Ha'Sh-m responded, My gratitude is to Avraham,
Yitzchak and Yakov, they were the first to make Me
known - "Li'Kedoshim Asher ba'Aretz Hemah v'Adirei
Kol Cheftzi Bam"
1. The Adirim referred to are (in order) Hash-m,
Yisrael, Mitzrayim and water - each is called "Adir"
in a verse.
(e) Let Yedid (a dear friend) the son of Yedid build Yedid
for Yedid in the portion of Yedid, to atone for Yedidim;
1. The Yedidim referred to are Shlomo, Avraham, the
Beis ha'Mikdash, Hash-m, Binyamin and Yisrael.
(f) Let Tov receive Tov from Tov for Tovim;
3) HOW TO FERMENT "MENACHOS"
1. The Tovim referred to are Moshe, Torah, Hash-m and
(g) Let Zeh receive Zos from Zeh for Am Zu;
1. These refer to Moshe, Torah, Hash-m and Yisrael.
(h) (R. Yitzchak): When the Beis ha'Mikdash was destroyed,
Hash-m found Avraham in the Beis ha'Mikdash.
1. Avraham: I came to pray for my children!
(i) (R. Chanina bar Papa): "L'Kol ha'Mulah Gedolah...v'Ra'u
Daliyosav" - the Milim (words) of the Meraglim made the
weak of Yisrael falter;
2. Hash-m: They sinned and were exiled.
3. Avraham: Perhaps they sinned b'Shogeg!
4. Hash-m: "Asosah ha'Mezimasah" (they were Mezidim.)
5. Avraham: Perhaps the minority sinned!
6. Hash-m: "Ha'Rabim".
7. Avraham: The merit of circumcision should have saved
8. Hash-m: "U'Vsar Kodesh Ya'avru me'Alayich" (they
9. Avraham: Perhaps had you delayed the exile, they
would have repented!
10. Hash-m: "Ki Ra'asechi Az Ta'alozi" (they rejoiced to
sin, they would not have repented.)
11. Avraham put his hand on his head and was crying -
perhaps nothing will save them!
12. A Bas Kol: "Zayis Ra'anan...Kara Hash-m Shmech" -
just like the greatness of olive trees is in the end
(after many years, they bear fruit; alternatively,
no olives ripen early, all ripen at the end), also
the greatness of Yisrael is in the end (they will
repent in the days of Moshi'ach.)
1. (R. Chanina bar Papa): The Meraglim said a great
blasphemy - "Ki Chazak Hu *Mimenu* (the people of
Eretz Yisrael are stronger than us)", we explain
"Mimenu" to mean than *Him*, as if the Master cannot
enter His own house!
(j) Objection: (R. Chiya b'Rebbi Chanina): If so (the
blasphemous word made them falter), it should say 'L'Kol
1. Rather, Hash-m told Avraham 'I heard your voice,
Chamalti (I had mercy. This is like 'ha'Mulah',
'Hei' and 'Ches' are interchangeable);
(k) (R. Yehoshua ben Levi): Yisrael are compared to an olive
tree - just like an olive tree does not drop its leaves
in winter or summer, Yisrael is never Batul, not in this
world nor in the world to come.
2. (Initially, it was fixed how long Yisrael must be
exiled under each of the four kingdoms -) I had
decided that they will suffer under each like the
total amount decreed for all four, now I revert to
the initial quota of each.
3. Some explain, I had decided that they will suffer
under each one after the other - now I will cause
that the exiles overlap (Yisrael will be scattered,
some under one kingdom, others under another.)
(l) (R. Yochanan): Yisrael are compared to olives - just like
olives do not give their oil until they are pressed,
Yisrael do not repent until they are afflicted.
(a) (Mishnah - R. Meir): We take some flour from the
Isaron...(R. Yehudah says... Chachamim say, if so, there
will be too much or too little flour!)
(b) Question: When is there too much, when is there too
(c) Answer (Rav Chisda): If the Se'or was kneaded thickly
(with little water, it has more flour (per unit volume)
than pure flour), there will be too much flour in the
1. If it was kneaded thinly (with much water), there
will be too little flour.
(d) Question: In any case, the measure was filled to an
(e) Answer (Rabah and Rav Yosef): An Isaron must be the
*original* volume of the flour (i.e. when it was flour) -
since the Se'or helped fill the measure, we are lacking
(or have an excess of) the difference in volume of the
Se'or and its flour.
(f) Version #1 - Question: Why don't we fill the Isaron with
flour, take some out, ferment it (by putting it in a hot
place, or amidst Chametz) and knead it with the rest!
(g) Answer: We decreed not to, lest one who sees this will
add 'outside' Se'or to a full Isaron of flour.
(h) Version #2 - Question: Why don't we put (old) Se'or in
the Isaron and fill the rest with flour, take some flour
out, knead it with the same amount of water as the Se'or,
return it and measure the difference - surely, it changed
volume like the Se'or, we now know how much flour we must
add or take away!
(i) Answer: We decreed not to, lest one who sees this will
take flour from outside the Isaron, knead it and add it
to the Isaron.