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Prepared by Rabbi P. Feldman
of Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous daf Menachos 51
MENACHOS 51- This Daf has been dedicated by Mr. Avi Reichman of Queens NY,
in honor of the birth of his granddaughter Michal to Karen and Jonathan
Shmerling in Kochav ha'Shachar, and his grandson Moshe to Rabbi Pinchas and
Lisa Lebovic in Neveh Yakov.
1) THE AMOUNT OF OIL IN "CHAVITIM"
(a) Support (for Rava - Beraisa): "Al Machavas" - this
teaches that they must be cooked in a Kli Shares;
1. "Ba'Shemen" - we add extra oil to them.
(b) Question: The Tana learned from "Ba'Shemen" that we add
*extra* oil to them - how can he later suggest learning
from Minchas Nedavah (which has the minimal amount of
2. Question: How do we know how much to add?
3. Answer #1: Here it says 'Shemen', like it says
regarding Minchas Nesachim (for a lamb) - just like
there, there are three Lugim (of oil) for an Isaron
(of flour), also here.
i. Question: It also says 'Shemen' regarding
Minchas Nedavah - perhaps we should learn from
there, there is only one Log for an Isaron!
4. Answer #2 (R. Yishmael, son of R. Yochanan ben
Brokah): "Soles Minchas Tamid" - Chavitim are like
Minchas Tamid, three Lugim per Isaron.
ii. Answer: It is more reasonable to learn from
Minchas Nesachim, for this resembles Chavitim
regarding TaBShaT, i.e. *T*adir (or *T*amid,
both are brought twice daily), *B*a'ah Chovah
(there is an obligation to bring them; Rashi's
text omits this, the acronym is TaShaT), both
are Docheh *S*habbos and *T*um'ah.)
iii. Rejection: Perhaps we learn from Minchas
Nedavah, for this resembles Chavitim regarding
YaGYL, i.e. a *Y*achid (individual) brings
them, they are brought *G*alal Atzmo (on their
own accord), they are not brought with *Y*ayin
(Rashi's text omits this, the acronym is
YaGaL), they are brought with *L*evonah.
5. Answer #3 (R. Shimon): The Torah taught that
Chavitim are made with extra oil, just like the
Minchas Keves (Nesachim brought with a lamb);
i. Just like Minchas Keves is three Lugim per
Isaron, also Chavitim.
6. Question: The Torah also taught that Menachos
brought with bulls and rams are made with extra oil,
two Lugim per Isaron - perhaps we should learn from
7. Answer: It is more reasonable to learn from (the
Minchah of) a lamb, which is one Isaron, than from
(that of) a bull or ram, which is three or two
(c) Answer #1 (Abaye): R. Shimon learns from "Ba'Shemen" that
we add extra oil, he gave Answer #1 (c), he would not
suggest learning from Minchas Nedavah;
1. R. Yishmael suggested this, for he does not expound
'Ba'Shemen' like R. Shimon.
(d) Answer #2 (Rav Huna brei d'Rav Yehoshua): R. Yishmael
taught the entire Reisha:
1. First he assumes that Ba'Shemen teaches that we add
extra oil, since we do not need it to teach one Log;
(e) Answer #3 (Rabah): R. Shimon taught the entire Reisha:
i. We know one Log from "Al Machavas" - it is like
2. Later, he retracts - we cannot learn from "Al
Machavas", for one might have thought that Chavitim
are dry, like Minchas Chotei, so we need Ba'Shemen
to teach one Log;
i. Therefore, he suggests learning from Minchas
Nedavah, i.e. only one Log!
ii. He tried to show that it is more reasonable to
learn from Minchas Nesachim, but failed (for
there are just as many similarities to Minchas
iii. Therefore, he needs to learn from "Soles
1. In truth, Ba'Shemen teaches that we add extra oil,
since we do not need it to teach one Log - we know
one Log from "Al Machavas", it is like Minchas
2. He asks (rhetorically), why do we need Ba'Shemen to
teach about extra oil - without this, we would learn
from Minchas Nesachim!
i. He then shows that it is just as reasonable to
learn from Minchas Nedavah, therefore we need
ii. Finally, he asks why we learn from Minchas
Keves (and not from bulls or rams), and
answers, it is more reasonable to learn one
Isaron from one Isaron...
2) WHEN THERE IS NO KOHEN GADOL, WHO PAYS FOR "CHAVITIM"?
(a) (Mishnah): If (the Kohen Gadol died after offering half
in the morning, and) a new Kohen was not appointed, who
supplies the Chavitim (until a new Kohen is appointed?)
3) ENACTMENTS OF "BEIS DIN"
(b) Answer #1 (R. Shimon): The Tzibur pays for it (from
(c) Answer #2 (R. Yehudah): The heirs pay for it.
(d) A full Isaron is brought.
(e) (Gemara - Beraisa) Question: If the Kohen Gadol died and
a new Kohen was not appointed, what is the source that
his heirs supply the Chavitim?
1. Answer #1 (R. Yehudah): "Veha'Kohen ha'Mashi'ach
Tachtav mi'Banav Ya'aseh Osah"
(f) Question: "Veha'Kohen ha'Mashi'ach..." teaches something
2. Suggestion: Perhaps it is offered in halves (like
when the Kohen Gadol was alive!)
3. Rejection: "Osah" - all is offered (at a time), not
4. Answer #2 (R. Shimon): "Chok Olam" - it is offered
from the Tzibur;
i. "Kalil Taktar" - it is entirely Huktar.
1. (Beraisa) Suggestion: "Zeh Korban Aharon u'Vanav
Asher Yakrivu la'Sh-m b'Yom Himashach Oso" - perhaps
they bring one Korban together!
(g) Answer: If "Veha'Kohen ha'Mashi'ach..." only taught that
heirs bring the Chavitim, it should have said '...Tachtav
Banav Ya'asu Osah';
2. Rejection: "Asher Yakrivu la'Sh-m" - Aharon brings
by himself, his children bring by themselves.
3. 'Banav' refers to regular Kohanim.
4. Question: Perhaps it refers to Kohanim Gedolim
5. Rejection: "Veha'Kohen ha'Mashi'ach Tachtav
mi'Banav" refers to Kohanim Gedolim, so 'Banav' must
refer to regular Kohanim.
1. Rather, it says "Tachtav mi'Banav", therefore, we
learn both laws.
(h) Question: How does R. Shimon expound "Osah"?
(i) Answer: This teaches that if the Kohen Gadol died (after
offering half in the morning) and a new Kohen was
appointed, in the afternoon he may not bring (only) half,
nor offer the half remaining from the morning (he must
bring a full Isaron.)
(j) Question: We learn this from: "*U*'Machatzisah ba'Erev"!
(k) Answer: R. Shimon does not expound the 'Vov'.
(l) Question: How does R. Yehudah expound "Chok Olam"?
(m) Answer: This Chok (Minchas Chinuch) applies forever.
(n) Question: How does he expound "Kalil Taktar"?
(o) Answer (Beraisa): The Torah teaches that Chavitei Kohen
Gadol are entirely Huktar, then it forbids eating Minchas
Kohen (Hedyot) with a Lav;
1. Question: What is the source that the first law
(Kalil) applies to the latter (Minchas Kohen), and
that the latter (a Lav against eating) applies to
the first (Chavitim)?
2. Answer: We learn from a Gezerah Shavah "Kalil-Kalil"
that both laws apply to both Menachos.
(a) Question: R. Shimon learned from verses that the Tzibur
brings Chavitim (when there is no Kohen Gadol) - but he
holds that this is only mid'Rabanan!
1. (Mishnah - R. Shimon): (If Reuven found an animal
near Yerushalayim (it may be a lost Korban) and
wanted to bring Korban(os) on behalf of the loser,
Reuven must bring the Nesachim;
(b) Answer (R. Avahu): There were two enactments:
i. At first, Beis Din would take a security from
Reuven; because of this, finders would flee -
they enacted that the Tzibur will bring the
2. R. Shimon says, this is one of seven enactments of
Beis Din (regarding paying for Korbanos or benefit
3. (Other enactments:) If a Nochri sent an Olah to be
offered in the Mikdash and (money for) its Nesachim,
we offer the Nesachim from his money;
i. If he sent an Olah without Nesachim, the Tzibur
pays for the Nesachim.
4. If a convert died (without heirs) leaving over
i. If he left (money for) Nesachim, they are
offered; if not, the Tzibur pays for the
5. If the Kohen Gadol died and a new Kohen was not
appointed, the Tzibur supplies the Chavitim.
1. Mid'Oraisa, the Tzibur pays for it; this was
depleting the Shekalim (for Korbanos Tzibur; in
Bayis Sheni, almost every Kohen Gadol died in his
first year), so they enacted to take the money from
the Kohen's heirs;
(c) (Continuation of the above Mishnah): They enacted that
Me'ilah should not apply to the ashes of Parah Adumah;
2. Chachamim saw that the heirs were negligent (about
bringing it), so they reverted to the mid'Oraisa
(d) Question: That is a mid'Oraisa law!
1. (Beraisa): "Chatas Hi" - this teaches that Me'ilah
applies to the Parah;
(e) Answer (R. Ashi): There were two enactments:
2. "Hi" - Me'ilah applies to it, not to its ashes.
1. Mid'Oraisa, Me'ilah applies to Parah, not to its
2. Since people were treating the ashes lightly, using
them to cure wounds, Chachamim decreed Me'ilah on
3. They saw that people would refrain from being
sprinkled on (with water with the ashes) in doubtful
cases of Tum'as Mes (for fear of transgressing
Me'ilah), Taharah, so Chachamim reverted to the