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1) WHAT PROOF IS NEEDED TO COLLECT A KESUVAH?
(a) (Mishnah): A woman shows a Get, without a Kesuvah - she
collects a Kesuvah;
(b) In the following cases, one is not obligated to pay:
1. She shows a Kesuvah without a Get - she says, she
lost her Get; he says, he lost his receipt;
(c) R. Shimon Ben Gamliel says, after there were decrees not
to keep Mitzvos, a woman collects her Kesuvah without a
Get, and a creditor collects his debt without a Pruzbul.
2. A creditor shows a loan document without a Pruzbul
(a document showing that the loan was handed to Beis
Din before Shemitah - such a loan may be collected
(d) (Gemara): We hear from our Mishnah that (a creditor that
lost his document is paid, and) we write a receipt (even
though if the borrower loses the receipt, he may have to
1. If we do not write a receipt - we should be
concerned, she may later show her Kesuvah and
(e) Rejection #1 (Rav): There is no proof - the Mishnah is a
case where Kesuvos are not written (so there is no
(f) (Shmuel): The Mishnah deals even in a place where Kesuvos
(g) Question: Does Shmuel really hold that we write a
(h) Answer: (Rav Anan): No - Shmuel says, in a place where
Kesuvos are not written, if he claims that he wrote a
Kesuvah, he must bring proof; in a place where Kesuvos
are written, if she claims that he did not write a
Kesuvah, she must bring proof.
(i) Rav retracted from what he had said.
1. Retraction (Rav): Whether in a place where Kesuvos
are written or not, if she shows a Get, she receives
the basic Kesuvah (100 or 200); if she shows a
Kesuvah, she receives any addition to the basic
(j) (Mishnah): She shows a Kesuvah without a Get - she says,
she lost her Get; he says, he lost his receipt;
similarly, a creditor shows a loan document without a
Pruzbul - they do not collect.
2. Rav: Anyone who has any objection to this - let him
1. We understand Shmuel - he establishes the Mishnah in
a place where Kesuvos are not written. Previously,
she showed her Get, and he was not able to prove
that he had written a Kesuvah, and was forced to pay
- therefore, he does not pay now.
2. Question: According to Rav, he should pay the
3. Answer (Rav Yosef): The case is, there are no
witnesses that saw the divorce.
i. Since he would have been believed if he claimed
that he never divorced her, he is believed to
say that he divorced her and paid the Kesuvah.
2) HOW A WIDOW COLLECTS
4. Question: In the end of the Mishnah, R. Shimon Ben
Gamliel says, from the time of decrees, a woman
collects her Kesuvah without a Get, and a creditor
without a Pruzbul!
i. The case must be, she has witnesses that saw
the divorce - if not, how can she collect?
5. Answer: R. Shimon Ben Gamliel taught the entire
Mishnah, in abbreviated form.
i. He says: These do not collect - this applies
when she does not have witnesses that saw the
divorce; if she has witnesses, she collects the
addition to the Kesuvah;
ii. She only collects the basic Kesuvah (100 or
200) if she has a Get;
iii. From the decrees and onwards, even if she does
not have the Get, she collects, since R. Shimon
Ben Gamliel says, from the time of decrees, a
woman collects her Kesuvah without a Get, and a
creditor without a Pruzbul.
(a) Question (Rav Kahana to Rav): You hold that the basic
Kesuvah is only collected with a Get - how does a widow
from Nesu'in collect?
3) A WOMAN THAT REMARRIES HER EX-HUSBAND
(b) Answer (Rav): With witnesses that her husband died.
(c) Question: We should be concerned, she was divorced, and
will collect again with her Get!
(d) Answer: The witnesses know that she was living with her
(e) Question: Perhaps he divorced her right before he died!
(f) Answer: If so, he caused that she will be able to collect
(g) Question: A widow from engagement, how will she collect -
if with witnesses that her husband died, we should be
concerned, she was divorced, and will collect again with
(h) Answer: When there is no other solution, Rav admits that
we write a receipt.
1. If not - when she collects with witnesses of death,
we should be concerned that she will collect again
with other witnesses in a different Beis Din!
(i) Question (Mar Kashisha Brei d'Rav Chisda): How do we know
that a widow from engagement receives a Kesuvah?
1. Suggestion: If from the Mishnah which says, 'If she
is widowed or divorced, whether from engagement or
Nesu'in, she receives her full Kesuvah - perhaps
that is a case in which he wrote her a Kesuvah!
(j) Answer (Rav Ashi): We learn from the following.
2. Question: If he wrote her a Kesuvah, this is
obvious, why did the Mishnah have to teach it?
3. Answer: To argue on R. Eliezer Ben Azaryah, who says
that he only wrote (an addition on the basic
Kesuvah) on condition that they have Nesu'in.
i. The case must be, he wrote a Kesuvah - it says,
she collects the full Kesuvah - if he wrote
one, this makes sense.
ii. Question: If he didn't write one - what does it
mean, she collects the full Kesuvah - she is
only entitled to 100 or 200!
1. (R. Chiya Bar Avin - Beraisa): If a man's engaged
wife dies, he is not an Onen, he has no Mitzvah to
become Tamei by engaging in her burial; and he does
not inherit her; similarly, if he dies, she is not
an Onenes, and she has no Mitzvah to become Tamei by
engaging in his burial, but she collects her
(k) Objection Perhaps this applies when he wrote a Kesuvah!
1. Question: If so, this is obvious - what does the
(l) Question (Rav Nachman): According to Rav, who says that
she collects the basic Kesuvah with a Get - we should be
concerned, she will collect with it again in another Beis
2. Answer: It teaches that when she dies, he does not
1. Suggestion: If you will say, we tear it up when she
collects - but she needs it to prove that she may
(m) Answer (Rav Huna): We tear it, and write on the back that
it was not torn because it is invalid, rather, so she
should not collect the Kesuvah again.
(a) (Mishnah): If a woman has 2 Gets and 2 Kesuvos - she
collects 2 Kesuvos;
(b) If she has 2 Kesuvos and 1 Get, or 1 Kesuvah and 2 Gitin,
or 1 Kesuvah and 1 Get and (witnesses to her husband's)
death, she only collects 1 Kesuvah, since a man that
remarries his ex-wife does so on condition that she will
only receive her original Kesuvah.
(c) (Gemara) Question: Can she really collect either Kesuvah?
1. Suggestion: This refutes Rav Nachman!
(d) (Beraisa): If she has a Get, a Kesuvah and witnesses of
death - if the Get is before the Kesuvah, she collects 2
Kesuvos; if the Kesuvah is before the Get, she collects 1
i. (Rav Nachman): 2 documents with different dates
- the latter proves that the former is invalid.
2. Rejection: No - Rav Papa said, Rav Nachman admits
that if the 2nd document adds to the 1st, even a
date tree, it was written for the addition (and both
i. Here also, the case is, the 2nd Kesuvah is
greater than the 1st.