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prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Gitin 13
GITIN 13 - sponsored by Harav Ari Bergmann of Lawrence, N.Y., out of love
for Torah and those who study it.
(a) Our Mishnah states 'ha'Omer, T'nu Get le'Ishti Sh'tar Shichrur le'Avdi',
Lo Yitnu le'Achar Misah'. The Tana states 'T'nu Get le'Ishti', and not 'Tein
... ' - because if the Get was already in the hands of the Sheli'ach (as
'Tein' implies), then according to the Chachamim of Rebbi Meir, the slave
would already be free.
(b) If he were to say 'T'nu Manah li'P'loni' - one would be obligated to
hand over the money even after the donor's death.
(c) Rav Yitzchak bar Marsa quoting Rav qualifying the Seifa of the Mishnah
('T'nu Manah ... ') - restricts it to when the donor points to a pile of
money lying in a corner and says 'T'nu Manah *Zu* li'Peloni'.
(d) The problem do we have with that, assuming that the donor is ...
1. ... healthy, is - seeing as no Kinyan was performed, how will saying that
2. ... a Sh'chiv-Mera is - based on the principle that the words of a
Shechiv-Mera are valid as if the money has already been written and handed
over to the recipient.
(a) Rav Z'videstablishes it by a healthy man, whose command must be
fulfilled even though no Kinyan was made - in the case of a deposit where
the owner, the depositee and the recipient are present (for so Rav Huna Amar
Rav said 'Manah Li be'Yadcha, Teneihu Lo li'Peloni, be'Ma'amad Sh'loshtan,
(b) The money needs to be piled up in a corner - because Rav Z'vid is of the
opinion that Rav speaks exclusively about a deposit (which is still in his
possession, but not to a loan, that has been spent).
(c) Rav Papa establishes the case by a Sh'chiv-Mera. Nevertheless, the money
needs to be piled up, due to another statement of Rav, who makes a
distinction between Manah S'tam and Manah Zu, inasmuch as if someone says
'T'nu Manah li'Peloni mi'Nechasai - Manah Zu, Nosnin; Manah S'tam, Ein
(d) We do not obey his instructions in a case of Manah S'tam - because of
the fear that the Shechiv-Mera is referring specifically to an unknown
(a) We just learned how Rav Z'vid established the Seifa of our Mishnah
('T'nu Manah le'Ish P'loni ... ') with regard to a healthy man, in
accordance with Rav Huna Amar Rav (regarding the Din of Ma'amad Shelashtan);
whereas Rav Papa established it by a Shechiv-Mera (because of the suspected
hidden Manah). The reason that ...
1. ... Rav Papa declines to learn like Rav Z'vid is - because he maintains
that Rav said the Din of Ma'amad Sheloshtan even by a loan (where the money
has been spent), too.
(b) The Tana of our Mishnah said 'ha'Omer *T'nu* Get le'Ishti ... *u'Meis*,
Lo Yitnu le'Achar Misah'. We can infer from the two words 'u'Meis' and
'T'nu' - that the donor was still alive, and that had he not said 'T'nu', we
would not hand the Get to his wife.
2. ... Rav Z'vid declines to learn like Rav Papa - because in his opinion,
our Mishnah is not speaking about a Shechiv-Mera (for reasons that will now
(c) Rav Z'vid proves from here that our Mishnah cannot be referring to a
Shechiv-Mera - because if it were, we would hand the Get to his wife even if
he did not say 'T'nu', like the opinion of Rebbi Shimon Shezuri (as we shall
(a) Initially, says the Mishnah in T'vul Yom, Chazal decreed that if a Yotze
be'Kolar announced 'Write a Get for my wife'!, whoever heard him would write
the Get and hand it to her. A 'Yotze be'Kolar' - is someone who has been
sentenced to death and who is actually being taken to his execution (a
'Kolar' is the iron 'collar' and chain with which they would lead him to the
place of execution.
(b) A person would make such an announcement - to prevent his wife from
having to perform Yibum with his brother.
(c) Despite the fact that he did not actually leave instructions to that
effect, we hand his wife the Get - because it is obvious that that is what
he wanted us to do, only in his confusion, he forgot to say it in so many
(a) Still in the above Mishnah in T'vul Yom, the Chachamim added someone who
is about to travel overseas or to traverse a desert, to the Din of 'ha'Yotze
be'Kolar' - and Rebbi Shimon Shezuri added a Shechiv-Mera.
(b) As we have already seen, Rav Z'vidproves from this Mishnah that one
gives a Get to the wife of a Shechiv Mera, even if he did not actually say
'T'nu', explaining our Mishnah accordingly. Rav Ashi's objection to Rav
Z'vid'sproof is - that the author of our Mishnah may well be the Chachamim,
and not Rebbi Shimon Shezuri.
(a) We have already cited Rav Huna Amar Rav's Din of Ma'amad Sheloshtan.
Rava agrees with Rav Z'vid, who confines it to a Pikadon, where the money or
the object is still there, on which the Sugya comments - 'I swear that Rav
said his Din even with regard to a loan (even though the money has been
spent and is not available).
(b) And Shmuel quoting Levi learns that way too.
(c) The problem with this ruling is - how it is possible to acquire
something which is not in existence.
(d) In an attempt to resolve this problem, Ameimar explains - that it is as
if, at the time of borrowing, the borrower stipulated that he obligates
himself to repay the loan to the creditor or to anyone who comes on account
(a) Rav Ashi objects to Ameimar's reason however, on the grounds that if
that was so - anyone who was not yet born at the time of the loan should not
be subject to (being the recipient) the Din of Ma'amad Sheloshtan.
(b) Rav Ashi's objection applies even according to Rebbi Meir, who holds
'Adam Makneh Davar she'Lo Ba Le'olam' - because even he agrees that one
cannot be 'Makmneh *'to* a Davar she'Lo Ba Le'olam'*.