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CHULIN 91 - Dedicated for a Refu'ah Shelemah for Yehoshua Heschel ben
Ayeleth. May the Talmud Torah d'Rabim sponsored in his honor protect him
and gain him a full and speedy recovery.
1) WHAT IS FORBIDDEN
(a) Rejection #2 (and Answer #3 to Question d:1 - Rav Ashi):
The Beraisa discusses the fat surrounding the Gid
2) THE FIGHT WITH THE ANGEL
1. (Beraisa): Mid'Oraisa, the fat around the Gid is
permitted - Yisrael are Kedoshim, they do not eat
(b) Rejection #3 (and Answer #4 to Question d:1 - Ravina):
The Beraisa discusses the outer Gid.
1. (Rav Yehudah): The inner Gid, close to the bone, is
forbidden mid'Oraisa, one who eats it is lashed;
(c) Answer #2: If one ate a k'Zayis of each Gid, he receives
80 lashes; R. Yehudah says, 40 lashes.
2. The outer Gid, close to the flesh, is forbidden
mid'Rabanan, one who eats it is exempt.
1. We understand this if R. Yehudah is sure; but if he
is unsure, why is the one who ate lashed - he
received Hasra'as Safek!
(d) Rejection: Really, R. Yehudah is unsure; our Tana holds
(like the following Tana) that R. Yehudah says that Safek
Hasra'ah is valid.
2. We know that R. Yehudah disqualifies Hasra'as Safek.
i. (Beraisa): If we are unsure if Reuven is the
son of David or Moshe, and Reuven strikes or
curses David and Moshe, one after the other or
at the same time, he is liable;
ii. R. Yehudah says, he is liable only if he struck
or cursed both at the same time.
1. (Beraisa - R. Yehudah): "You may not leave over
(from the Korban Pesach) until morning; you will
burn what is left over" - the Torah gives a Mitzvas
Ase after the Lav, to exempt from lashes.
(e) Answer #3 (Beraisa): If one ate two Gidim from two
animals, he receives 80 lashes; R. Yehudah obligates only
2. (R. Yakov): No - one is not lashed because this Lav
is not transgressed through an action, rather
1. Inference: Surely, both are (right Gidim, and)
forbidden - if one was a left Gid, the Tana would
discuss the simpler case of the two Gidim of one
2. R. Yehudah must be sure, if not he would exempt from
3. Question: Why does R. Yehudah obligate only 40
4. Answer: The case is, each Gid is less than a
i. (Beraisa): If one eats a Gid ha'Nasheh that is
less than a k'Zayis, he is lashed;
ii. R. Yehudah exempts.
(a) Question: How did R. Yehudah decide that the right Gid is
(b) Answer #1 (Rava): "*Ha*'Yarech" - the special thigh.
1. Chachamim explain, this is the Gid that extends
throughout the entire thigh, i.e. the inner Gid.
(c) Answer #2 (R. Yehoshua ben Levi): "(The angel) wrestled
with (Yakov)" - like a man that embraces a man, his right
hand reaches around to the other's right thigh.
(Presumably, the angels' right hand injured Yakov.)
1. (R. Shmuel bar Nachmani): The angel (was walking
towards Yakov, he) appeared to Yakov like a Nochri.
(d) Chachamim forbid both Gidin - they say that the angel
came from behind Yakov, and hit him on both thighs.
i. If one encounters a Nochri on the road, he
should position himself so that the Nochri is
on his right side.
2. (R. Shmuel bar Acha): The angel (was approaching
Yakov, he) appeared like a Chacham (so Yakov
positioned himself so the angel would be on Yakov's
i. If one walks to the right side of his Rebbi, he
(e) Question: What do Chachamim learn from "He'avko (he
wrestled) with him"?
(f) Answer: They explain like R. Yehoshua ben Levi, the Avak
(dust) went up from their feet to the Kisei ha'Kavod.
(Rashba - this indicates that they fought about
fundamentals of our belief, their fight will persist
until the Kisei will be complete, in the end of days.)
(g) (R. Yehoshua ben Levi): It is called the Gid ha'Nasheh
because Nashah (it was dislocated) from its place.
(h) (R. Yosi bar Chanina): "Slaughter and prepare" - (Yosef
instructed Menasheh) to show (to his brothers) the
slaughtered neck of the animal;
1. "And prepare" - remove the Gid ha'Nasheh in front of
(i) (R. Elazar): "And Yakov remained alone" - he remained to
take small flasks.
2. This is like the opinion that Gid ha'Nasheh was
forbidden before the Torah was given.
1. This shows that Tzadikim are more careful about
their money than their bodies.
(j) (R. Yitzchak): "A man wrestled with him until the dawn" -
this teaches that a Chacham should not go out alone at
2. Question: Why is this?
3. Answer: It is because they are careful not to steal.
(k) (R. Aba bar Kahana): We learn from "Bo'az will winnow"
(and stay in the granary, he would not go out alone at
(l) (R. Avahu): We learn from "Va'Yashkem Avraham ba'Boker"
(even though he was accompanied, he waited until morning,
all the more so a Chacham should not go out alone at
3) YAKOV'S DREAM
(m) (Rabanan): We learn from "Lech Na *Re'e* Es Shelom
Achecha" (during the day, when one can see.).
(a) (Rav): We learn from "The sun shone for him (so he could
(b) Question (R. Akiva): "The sun shone for him" - it shines
for the whole world!
(c) Answer (R. Yitzchak): Previously, the sun had set early
for him; now, it rose early for him:
1. "Yakov ...came to Charan...he encountered the place"
- when he reached Charan, he regretted that he did
not pray where his father and grandfather had prayed
(at the Akeidah);
(d) Contradiction: It says "He took from the stones of the
place" - it also says, "He took the stone"!
2. He decided to return - immediately, he miraculously
encountered the place.
3. After he prayed, he planned to resume travelling -
Hash-m wanted him to spend the night there, so he
made the sun set prematurely.
(e) Answer (R. Yitzchak): All the stones of the area
gathered, each asserted that Yakov should rest his head
on it - they all fused together.
(f) (Beraisa): "He dreamed; a ladder was set on the ground" -
the ladder was 8000 Parsa'os wide.
1. "Angels were ascending and descending" - two
ascending and two descending, so the ladder was wide
enough to hold four (where they crossed);
(g) (Beraisa): The angels ascended and gazed at Yakov's image
on Hash-m's Merkavah, they descended and gazed at Yakov's
2. "Its (an angel's) body is like the Tarshish Sea" -
this is 2000 Parsa'os.
1. Yakov was in danger (because they were jealous) -
therefore, "Hash-m stood over him."
(h) Question: "The land you are sleeping on (I will give to
your seed)" - this is a very small promise!
2. (Reish Lakish): Hash-m was like a father blowing a
bellows so his son will not be hot - it would be
forbidden to say this if not for the verse.
(i) Answer (R. Yitzchak): Hash-m folded up all of Eretz
Yisrael under Yakov, and promised that it would be as
easy to conquer as the four Amos under Yakov.
(j) "(The angel) said, send me, for dawn has come".
1. Yakov: Are you a thief or kidnapper (Rashi; Tosfos -
dice-player), therefore you are afraid to come out
(k) This supports Rav Chananel.
2. The angel: I am an angel - this is the first time it
is my turn to sing.
1. (Rav Chananel): Three groups of angels sing - one
says "Kadosh", the next responds "Kadosh", the third
responds "Kadosh, Hash-m Tzevakos".
(l) Question (Beraisa): Yisrael are dearer to Hash-m than the
angels, Yisrael constantly sing to Hash-m;
1. Opinions vary how often (any one) angel sings - once
every day, or week, or month, or year, or seven
years, or Yovel cycle, or only once.
(m) Correction: (Rav Chananel): Rather, one group of angels
says "Kadosh", the next responds "Kadosh, Kadosh", the
third responds "Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, Hash-m Tzevakos."
2. Yisrael say Hash-m's Name after only two words -
"Shema Yisrael, Hash-m...";
i. Angels only say His Name after three words -
"Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, Hash-m Tzevakos" (this
is unlike Rav Chananel.)
3. Angels may not sing above until Yisrael sing below -
"When the morning stars (Yisrael) sing together
(then,) all angels will resound".
(n) Question: But angels also say His Name after two words -
"Baruch Kevod Hash-m mi'Mekomo"!
(o) Answer #1: The Ofanim say that, not the regular
(p) Answer #2: Once angels have permission to say His Name
(after saying "Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh"), they no longer
need to say three words before it.