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Prepared by Rabbi P. Feldman
of Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Previous daf Chulin 6
1) THE SLAUGHTER OF "KUSIM"
(i) (Conclusion): If R. Zeira did not accept the answer - he
would say, the decree was on unsupervised slaughter, and
they ate from supervised slaughter!
2) COULD A "TZADIK" SIN WITH FORBIDDEN FOOD?
1. Rather, R. Zeira accepted the answer.
(ii) Question: Why did they decree?
(iii) Answer: For the same reason as R. Meir.
1. R. Meir sent R. Shimon Ben Elazar to bring wine from
a city of Kusim. An elder warned: "Put a knife in
your cheek, if you value your soul" (i.e. don't
drink their wine).
(iv) R. Avahu sent R. Yitzchak bar Yosef to bring wine from a
city of Kusim. An elder warned: the people here do not guard
the Torah. When R. Avahu heard, he told R. Ami and Rav Asi;
they decreed that Kusim are as Nochri in all respects.
2. When R. Meir heard this, he decreed that wine of
Kusim is forbidden.
3. Question: Why?
4. Answer (Rav Nachman Bar Yitzchak): He found Kusim
worshipping a graven dove on Har Grizim.
à. R. Meir generally is concerned for a minority (here, he
forbids wine of all Kusim on account of those
who are idolators).
5. R. Gamliel and his Beis Din are also concerned for a
minority, as R. Meir.
6. Question: What is the primary teaching of "Put a
knife in your cheek, if you value your soul"?
7. Answer: It speaks of a Talmid learning before his
8. (R. Chiya): "When you sit to combat the ruler (to
learn from your Rebbi), contemplate what is in front
of you; put a knife in your cheek, if you value your
soul" - only ask a question if you think that your
Rebbi can answer; if not, refrain from asking.
(v) Question: What did their decree affect?
1. Suggestion: If the slaughter and wine of Kusim - R.
Gamliel and R. Meir already decreed on them!
(vi) Answer: The previous decrees were not accepted; the decree
of R. Ami and R. Asi was accepted.
(vii) Question: Regarding what did they make them totally as
(viii) Answer (Rav Nachman Bar Yitzchak): In an alleyway that
opens to a courtyard in which a Kusi lives, it is forbidden to
carry in on Shabbos. It does not help if he grants full rights
of access to his premises to all; the only solution is if the
members of the alley rent his property.
1. (Beraisa): A Yisrael Mumar that keeps Shabbos in
public can grants rights of access to his premises
to all in the alleyway, and this allows them to
carry; if he desecrates Shabbos in public, it does
not help if he allows access to his premises.
2. A Yisrael can grant access; a Nochri must rent out
his premises to permit carrying.
à. If the Yisrael says, 'my property is acquired to you,
it is nullified to you' - this suffices; an act
of acquisition is not needed.
(i) R. Zeira and Rav Asi lodged at an inn. They served them
eggs that had been shriveled in wine. R. Zeira did not
eat; Rav Asi ate.
3) WILL AN IGNORAMUS SWITCH SOMEONE'S FOOD
1. R. Zeira: Aren't you concerned that they absorbed
Demai (doubtfully tithed) wine?
(ii) R. Zeira thought - can it be that mixtures containing Demai
are forbidden, and Rav Asi mistakenly ate one?
2. Rav Asi: I did not think about that.
1. Hash-m does not allow a pitfall to come even through
animals of Tzadikim, all the more so through
(iii) Contradiction (Beraisa): One who gives his neighbor a dough
to bake or a pot to cook, he need not worry that she leavened
or spiced it with sourdough or spices of Tevel or Shemitah
2. R. Zeira found a source that indeed, such mixtures
à. (Mishnah): One who buys wine to put into brine or a
potion of wine and oil, fodder to make brine,
or lentils to make & - he must Ma'aser them if
they are Demai, all the more so if they are
Tevel (definitely untithed)!
á. If one buys the mixture itself, there is no obligation
to Ma'aser a mixture containing Demai.
1. If he told her to use her sourdough or spices, he
must be concerned.
(iv) Answer #1: There is different - since he told her to use
hers, she is as his agent to mix in Demai, he is obligated to
Ma'aser it before it became a mixture.
(v) Answer #2 (Rafram): Sourdough and spices are different -
they are added for their taste, they are not nullified.
(i) Question: Are we really not concerned that an ignoramus
will switch a person's food?
1. (Mishnah): One who to his mother-in-law (dough to
bake) must Ma'aser the dough he gives her and the
bread he receives, because she will switch it if it
(ii) Answer: R. Yehudah explained the reason there.
1. R. Yehudah says, (we are concerned she will switch)
because she wants her daughter to eat well, but she
is ashamed to tell this to her son-in-law.
(iii) Question: Are we really not concerned (in general) that an
ignoramus will switch a person's food?
4) THE STATUS OF BEIS SHE'AN
1. (Mishnah): One who gives to the inn-keeper (dough to
bake) must Ma'aser the dough he gives her and the
bread he receives, because she is suspected to
(iv) Answer: There also, she rationalizes her action - this
Talmid should eat fresh, warm bread, and I should eat cold
bread! (Rashi - she wants to benefit the Talmid; Tosfos - this
is said incredulously, she feels that she should eat better
(v) Question: Are we really not concerned (in general) that
an ignoramus will switch a person's food?
1. [Version #1 - Tosfos - (Mishnah): The wife of a
fully observant man may grind flour with the help of
Le'ah (an ignoramus' wife) when Le'ah (knows she) is
Teme'ah, not when she (thinks she) is Tehorah (for
then, Le'ah will take some to eat, and make it
(vi) Answer (Rav Yosef): There also, she rationalizes her action
- an ox is allowed to eat while threshing (since Le'ah is
helping, she deserves to eat)!]
2. R. Shimon Ben Elazar says, even when Le'ah is
Teme'ah she may not help, for Le'ah's friend Rachel
(also an ignoramus' wife, who considers herself to
be Tehorah) will give Le'ah to eat (and Rachel will
make the dough Tamei).
à. We see, an ignoramus' wife will steal - all the more
so, she is suspected to switch!
1. [Version #2 - Rashi - (Mishnah): Sarah, the wife of
a fully observant man, may help Le'ah (an ignoramus'
wife) to grind when Sarah is Teme'ah, not when she
(vii) Answer (Rav Yosef): There also, she rationalizes her action
- an ox is allowed to eat while threshing (and also Sarah, who
2. R. Shimon Ben Elazar says, even when Sarah is
Teme'ah she may not, for Le'ah will give her to eat.
à. We see, an ignoramus' wife will steal (from her
husband)- all the more so, she is suspected to
(i) R. Yehoshua ben Zeruz testified in front of Rebbi that R.
Meir ate a leaf of a vegetable from Beis She'an without
separating Ma'aseros; based on this, Rebbi declared that
Beis She'an is exempt from Ma'aseros (except for grain,
wine and oil).
1. Rebbi's family: Your ancestors forbade this (to eat
Tevel from Beis She'an) - will you allow it?!
2. Question (Rebbi): "(Chizkiyahu) ground up the copper
serpent that Moshe had made, because Yisrael were
serving it as idolatry" - how is it that Asa and
Yehoshafat eradicated all idolatry from the world,
but not this serpent?!