REVIEW QUESTIONS ON GEMARA AND RASHI
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Bava Kama 71
BAVA KAMA 71 (Sukos) - dedicated by Rabbi Eli Turkel and his wife. May they
be blessed with much Nachas from their children and grandchildren and may
all of their prayers be answered l'Tovah!
(a) We learned in our Mishnah 'Tavach u'Machar be Yom ha'Kipurim, Chayav
What is the problem with this based on the fact that Chayvei
K'riysus are subject to Malkus?
(b) Like whom do we establish our Mishnah to answer this Kashya?
(c) Rebbi Meir says in the Mishnah in Makos that if witnesses testified that
Reuven owed Shimon two hundred Zuz and then became Zomemin, they receive
Malkos as well as having to pay.
What reason does he give for this?
(d) If the author of our Mishnah is Rebbi Meir, then why is he not Chayav
Daled ve'Hey, even if he stole and Shechted on Shabbos?
(a) Rebbi Meir says in a Beraisa 'Ganav ve'Tavach be'Shabbos, Ganav
ve'Tavach la'Avodah-Zarah, Ganav Shor ha'Niskal u'Tevacho Meshalem Arba'ah
Mar Zutra asked how it is possible for the Ganav to be Chayav Daled ve'Hey
when his Sheli'ach Shechts the animal, considering that he is not Chayav
when he himself Shechts it.
What do the Rabbanan say?
(b) How is Rebbi Yochanan quoted as explaining Rebbi Meir's statement 'Ganav
ve'Tavach be'Shabbos ... Meshalem ... ', in light of what we just learned
that 'Meis u'Meshalem Leis Leih'?
(c) What does Rava learn from the Pasuk "u'T'vacho O Mecharo" t explain
this? What would the problem otherwise be?
(d) What does de'Bei Rebbi Yishmael learn from "u'Tevacho *O* Mecharo", and
de'Bei Chizkiyah from "Tachas"?
What did Rav Ashi reply?
(a) We just cited Rebbi Meir in the Beraisa 'Ganav ve'Tavach be'Shabbos,
Ganav ve'Tavach la'Avodah-Zarah, Ganav Shor ha'Niskal u'Tevacho, Meshalem
Arba'ah va'Chamishah', whereas the Rabanan exempt him from paying.
is the Rabbanan's reason? Who must the Rabanan be?
(b) Why is 'Ganav ve'Tavach la'Avodah-Zarah' considered Isurei Hana'ah? Can
one render somebody else's animal forbidden?
(c) The above reason also apply to the first case 'Ganav ve'Tavach
be'Shabbos' because Rebbi Shimon holds like Rebbi Yochanan ha'Sandlar.
What does Rebbi Yochanan ha'Sandlar hold with regard to someone who cooks on
(d) What does the Mishnah in Chulin say about someone who Shechts an animal
on Shabbos? Is the Shechitah valid?
(a) Rebbi Meir says 'ha'Mevashel be'Shabbos be'Shogeg, Yochal, be'Meizid, Lo
Is he referring to eating the cooked dish on the Shabbos itself
(b) In the Seifa, where he cooked be'Meizid, are others permitted to eat it
on the same day?
(c) be'Shogeg, Rebbi Yehudah forbids even others to eat it on the same day.
What does he say when it was cooked be'Meizid?
(a) What does Rebbi Yochanan ha'Sandlar learn from the Pasuk in Ki Sisa ...
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(b) And what does he say in the case of a Shogeg?
- ... "u'Shemartem es ha'Shabbos *Ki Kodesh Hi* Lachem"?
- ... "Ki Kodesh Hi *Lachem*"?
(c) Rav Acha and Ravina argue over Ma'aseh Shabbos according to Rebbi
Yochanan ha'Sandlar. One of them learns that it is d'Oraysa, as we just
What does the other one say? What does he learn from "Kodesh
(d) According to the one who holds that it is only mi'de'Rabbanan, how can
the Rabbanan in the Beraisa that we quoted earlier exempt someone who
Shechts on Shabbos from Daled ve'Hey?
(a) We ask why, according to Rebbi Meir in the Beraisa, the Ganav is Chayav
Daled ve'Hey for Shechting the stolen animal to Avodah-Zarah, seeing as,
once he makes the initial cut to Avodah-Zarah, the rest is Asur be'Hana'ah.
So what if it is? Why should that exempt him from paying Daled ve'Hey?
(b) What principle (regarding the Dinim of Shechitah) do we have to assume
to ask such a Kashya?
(c) Why is he not already Chayav Daled ve'Hey for the initial cut?
(d) How does Rava answer the Kashya?
(a) We ask the same Kashya on the next case in the Beraisa ('Ganav Shor
ha'Niskal ... '). And we answer that the Tana speaks about an animal that
became a Shor ha'Niskal in the house of a Shomer, from where it was stolen.
And the Ganav is Chayav Daled ve'Hey because Rebbi Meir holds like Rebbi
Ya'akov and Rebbi Shimon.
What does ...
(b) Rebbi Shimon is speaking about paying Daled ve'Hey for stealing and
Shechting 'Kodshim she'Chayav be'Acharayusan'.
- ... Rebbi Ya'akov say about a Shomer returning a Shor ha'Niskal to the owner?
- ... Rebbi Shimon say about 'Davar ha'Gorem le'Mamon'? What is 'Davar ha'Gorem le'Mamon'?
What are ...
- ... 'Kodshim she'Chayav be'Acharayusan'?
- ... 'Kodshim she'Eino Chayav be'Acharayusan'?
(a) Rav Z'vid from Neherda'a queried establishing our Mishnah like Rebbi
Meir and not like Rebbi Shimon.
On what grounds did he do so?
(b) How did Rav Kahana refute his Kashya? Why is it nevertheless in order
for the Reisha to go not like Rebbi Shimon?
(a) Rava asked Rav Nachman what the Din will be if a Ganav stole and
Shechted a cow belonging to two partners and confessed to one of them.
What exactly is his She'eilah? What is the case?
(b) What is the basis of the She'eilah? Why might he be Patur from paying
Daled ve'Hey, should witnesses subsequently testify that he stole and
(c) What did Rav Nachman initially answer Rava?
(d) We learned in our Mishnah 'Ganav mi'Shel Aviv ve'Tavach u'Machar
ve'Achar-Kach Meis Aviv, Meshalem Tashlumei Arba'ah va'Chamishah'.
does this pose a Kashya on Rav Nachman?
(a) We answer that the Tana speaks when the Ganav's father had already taken
his son to Beis-Din before his death, in which case, the animal belonged
entirely to the father, and the son is obligated to pay the full Arba'ah
va'Chamishah to him.
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What do we then ask on the Seifa 'Ganav mi'Shel Aviv
u'Meis, ve'Achar-Kach Tavach u'Machar, Eino Meshalem ... '? Which case
should the Tana have rather presented?
(b) The very next morning Rav Nachman changed his mind.
How did he then
Darshen "Chamishah Bakar"?
(c) What reason did he give for not answering correctly the night before?
(d) According to Rav Nachman's conclusion, seeing as the son is Chayav to
pay even Chamishah Chatza'ei Bakar in the Reisha, why is he Patur from
paying in the Seifa?