REVIEW QUESTIONS ON GEMARA AND RASHI
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Bava Kama 12
BAVA KAMA 12 - dedicated by Mr. and Mrs. D. Kornfeld in honor of the Bris of
their nephew, Yair Leb Mandelbrot.
(a) The Dayanim of Pumbedisa authorised a creditor to claim an Eved from
What instructions did Rav Nachman issue to Rav Chana bar Bizna,
when he did the same thing in Neherda'a? What threat accompanied his
(b) On what grounds did Rava query his Rebbe, Rav Nachman's ruling?
(c) Rav Nachman answered with a Beraisa cited by Avimi 'P'ruzbul Chal al
ha'Karka ... Metaltelin Niknin Im Karka'. What does the Tana say about ...
(d) What is the basis of these two rulings?
- ... writing a P'ruzbul on Avadim?
- ... acquiring Metaltelin together with Avadim?
(a) What does another Beraisa say about someone who wishing to purchase ...
(b) How do we initially resolve this Beraisa with another Beraisa 'Hichzik
ba'Avadim, Kanah Metaltelin'?
- ... Avadim and Karka, makes a Kinyan on the Karka only? Does he acquire the Avadim?
- ... Avadim and Metaltelin, makes a Kinyan on the Avadim only? Does he acquire the Metaltelin?
(c) Rav Ika B'rei de'Rav Ami establishes that both Beraisos hold 'Avadim
Then how does he explain the former Beraisa?
(d) What is the significance of "Arei Metzuros bi'Yehudah" in this context?
(a) In a second Lashon, Rav Ika B'rei de'Rav Ami establishes that both
Beraisos hold that 'Avadim ki'Metalteli Dami'.
Then how does he explain
the latter Beraisa ('Hichzik ba'Avadim, Kanah Metaltelin')?
(b) With which Kinyan does he now acquire the Metaltelin?
(c) What objection do we raise to this?
(d) Bearing in mind Rav's principle that when a moving object cannot
acquire, the fact that it is static will make no difference, how does he
finally establish the Beraisa?
(a) In light of what we learned earlier 'Hichzik be'Karka, Lo Kanah Avadim',
how will we establish another Beraisa 'Hichzik be'Karka, Kanah Avadim'?
How do we answer both Kashyos in one stroke?
(b) What will we now extrapolate with regard to the earlier Beraisa?
(c) How does this pose a Kashya on the Lashon of Rav Ika B'rei de'Rav Ami
that holds 'Avadim ki'Mekarka'i Dami'? What did Shmuel say about someone who
purchased ten fields in ten different countries?
(d) Why will the Kashya be equally applicable according to the Lashon of Rav
Ika B'rei de'Rav Ami which holds 'Avdi ki'Metalteli Dami'?
Answers to questions
(a) What do we extrapolate from the Lashon in our Mishnah 'Nechasim she'Ein
(b) What sort of Kodshim are we talking about? Who is the Tana who considers
such Kodshim to be the personal property of the owner?
(c) How does he extrapolate this from the Pasuk in Vayikra "u'Ma'alah Ma'al
*ba'Hashem*"? What is that Pasuk there talking about?
(d) How do we reconcile the Mishnah in Kidushin 'ha'Mekadesh be'Chelko Bein
be'Kodshei Kodshim, Bein be'Kodshim Kalim, Einah Mekudeshes' with Rebbi
(a) The Mishnah in Temurah permits selling a live unblemished Bechor.
Assuming that the Tana is referring to a Bechor nowadays (which is unfit to
be brought as a Korban), as we shall soon prove, what can the purchaser then
do with it?
(b) The Tana permits selling it specifically when it is alive.
be the Din be with regard to selling a Tam Shachut?
(c) And what does the Tana say about selling a Ba'al Mum?
(d) 'u'Mekadshin Bo es ha'Ishah'.
To whom does this pertain?
(a) We have already cited Rav Nachman Amar Rabah bar Avuhah, who establishes
the Reisha of the Mishnah in Temurah nowadays, when the Bechor cannot be
brought as a Korban.
Why does Ravina create a problem by establishing the Beraisa of "u'Ma'alah
Ma'al ba'Hashem (Rebbi Yossi Hagelili) by Bechor, rather than by Shelamim?
What did Rava ask Rav Nachman from Rebbi Yossi
(b) To answer Rava's Kashya, Ravina establishes the Mishnah in Temurah by a
Bechor in Eretz Yisrael, and Rebbi Yossi Hagelili, by a Bechor in Chutz
la'Aretz, like Rebbi Shimon. What does Rebbi Shimon say one should do with
a Bechor Tam in Chutz la'Aretz during the time of the Beis Hamikdash ...
(c) Based on the understanding that Rebbi Yossi considers live Kodshim Kalim
the property of the owner, what problem do we now have with Ravina? What
alternative might Ravina have presented to answer the Kashya on Rav Nachman
from the Mishnah in Temurah?
- ... Lechatchilah?
- ... if, Bedieved, it was sent to Eretz Yisrael from Chutz la'Aretz?
(d) Why in fact, did he decline to give that answer? Why will even Rebbi
Yossi Hagelili agree with the Rabbanan by Bechor?
Answers to questions