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by Rabbi Ephraim Becker
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BEITZAH 26, 27, 28, 29 - dedicated by Yitzchak Gross of Brooklyn, NY, l'Iluy Nishmas his father, Menashe Yehudah ben
Matisyahu, and his mother, Dina bas Yisroel.
1) MISHNAH: MEASURING ON YOMTOV
(a) (Tana Kama) One may ask one's friend to fill his
utensil with a liquid, but he may not designate a
2) MEASURING CUPS
(b) (R. Yehudah) If the utensil is a measuring cup, it
should not be used.
(c) Aba Shaul b. Batnis would fill his measuring utensils
before YomTov and give them to the buyers on YomTov.
(d) (Aba Shaul) He would do so on Chol HaMoed.
(e) (Chachamim) He would do so at all times in order to
insure complete measures of the oil.
(a) Question: What is meant by Aval Lo b'Midah?
3) ABA SHAUL B. BATNIS
(b) Answer (R. Yehudah citing Shmuel): One may not use a
Keli designated for measuring, but one may use a Keli
which is no more than a spare while R. Yehudah forbids
the use of *any* measuring vessel.
1. Question: But that set R. Yehudah l'Chumrah
regarding Simchas YomTov (and Rabanan l'Kulah),
the opposite of our Mishnah?
(c) Answer (Rava): That he may not mention a measure by
name, but he may use a measuring cup (R. Yehudah agrees
that one may use a Keli haOmed leMidah, he only argues
to prohibit a Keli haMeyuchad leMidah).
2. Answer: To resolve R. Yehudah we must distinguish
between a Keli which was not used for weighing
(permitted) versus a measuring Keli where R.
Yehudah is strict.
3. Answer: We resolve Rabanan by distinguishing
between normal weekday activity (requesting an
amount) and exceptional activity (requesting a
1. Question: But their positions contradict?
2. Answers: As above.
(a) He would also do so on the Moed to free up the daytime
for learning and answering questions.
(b) He collected 300 barrels of wine from Birurei haMidos
while his colleagues collected 300 barrels of oil from
(c) They brought the 300 barrels to the treasurers of
Hekdesh who initially indicated that what they were
doing was not necessary, and when they persisted the
treasurers told them that Safek Gezel should benefit
the community at large.
1. Question: What are such needs?
(d) R. Chisda took Rabana Ukva for a walk and taught him:
2. Answer (R. Chisda): Water cisterns.
1. One may not measure barley for his animal on
YomTov (but rather he may dig a measuring cup into
the barley and take it out full).
(e) (R. Yirmiyah b. Aba citing Rav) A woman may measure
flour for her dough on YomTov to encourage her to give
Chalah (one twenty-fourth) generously.
2. One who cooks for another may measure spices on
YomTov in order that excess spices should not
cause the food to burn.
(f) (Shmuel) It is still forbidden.
(g) Question: But Shmuel is cited (in a Tana d'vei Shmuel)
as ruling leniently!?
(h) Answer (Abaye): Shmuel himself taught the Halachah
4) RE-SIFTING FLOUR
(a) (Tana Kama) One is not permitted to re-sift flour.
5) MISHNAH: REQUESTING ITEMS BY NUMBER
(b) (R. Papayos and R. Yehudah b. Beseira) It is permitted.
(c) All agree that re-sifting flour is permitted if a stone
or a splinter of wood fell into the flour on YomTov.
1. The Beraisa expert taught that in such a case the
stones or splinters may be removed by hand (but
not by re-sifting)
(d) Rava b. R. Huna Zuta taught publicly that re-sifting
flour is permitted.
2. Ravina objected on the grounds that removing them
by hand moreso resembles Bereirah and it is
preferable to re-sift the flour, which does not
resemble a Melachah.
(e) R. Nachman relayed to him that this was already well
known (there were already many sieves at work in
Neherda'a, re-sifting flour).
(f) R. Yosef taught his wife that no Shinui was needed.
(g) R. Ashi's wife re-sifted flour with a Shinui and he
deferred to her practice seeing as she was the daughter
of (the Halachically meticulous) Rani b. Chama she must
have seen it being done so in his house.
(a) One may ask a store-keeper for a certain number of eggs
6) THE BEREISA CONTRIBUTES OTHER EXAMPLES OF PERMITTED REQUESTS
(b) One does so in one's own home (and thus it is not
exclusively a business practice).
(a) Other requests may be made (as listed) provided that
one does not include the amount required (Sechum
***** Hadran Alach, Ein Tzadin *****
(b) (R. Shimon b. Elazar) He may not mention the price