REVIEW QUESTIONS ON GEMARA AND RASHI
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Bava Basra 86
BAVA BASRA 86 - dedicated by Mr. and Mrs. D. Kornfeld in honor of the
engagement of Avi Turkel to Estie Isseroff. May they build a Bayis Ne'eman
b'Yisrael and be a constant source of Nachas to both of their families.
(a) We learned in a Beraisa that if the purchaser pulled his ass-drivers or
laborers into his domain laden with the goods that he intends to purchase,
he does not acquire the goods, and both parties are entitled to retract.
Will it make any difference if he had already fixed the price with the
(b) On what grounds is the sale not valid?
(c) Will the sale be valid if, before fixing the price, he then measured the
goods and placed them on the ground or into his (the purchaser's)
(a) What will be the Din if either the purchaser or the seller unloaded the
vessels that contained the goods and placed them in his domain? Under which
condition will the sale be valid?
(b) Will it make any difference whether they fixed the price before the
goods were unloaded or afterwards?
(c) What is now the Kashya on Rav and Shmuel (who hold that the receptacles
of the seller cannot acquire for the purchaser in the purchaser's domain)?
(d) Some commentaries explain that the purchaser acquires the goods (not
because the purchaser's domain acquires the goods [Kinyan Chatzer] once the
price has been fixed as we explained, but) because the purchaser pulled the
goods into his domain, after he fixed the price with the seller.
wrong with this interpretation of 'Pirkan ve'Hichnisan le'Toch Beiso'?
(a) Why did Rava object, when, to answer the Kashya, Rav Nachman bar
Yitzchak interpreted 'Pirkan' to mean that the seller unloaded his sacks
before emptying them on to the purchaser's domain?
(b) How does Mar bar Rav Ashi answer the Kashya when he establishes the
Beraisa by bundles of garlic?
(c) How did Ravina explain to Huna B'rei de'Mar Zutra the need to fix the
price, despite the fact that the seller had already unloaded them and placed
them on the ground for the purchaser to acquire?
(d) Ravina asked Rav Ashi about an apparent discrepancy between Rav and
Shmuel's statement, and another statement of theirs 'Keilav shel Adam Koneh
Lo be'Chol Makom' (which can only come to include even the domain of the
What did Rav Ashi reply?
(a) According to the Mishnah in Kidushin, how does one acquire ...
(b) How does Rav Chisda (according to the text in Sura, and Rav Kahana or
Rava, as recorded in Pumbedisa) qualify the latter ruling? In which case
will one not acquire the Metaltelin, according to Rav Chisda?
- ... Karka?
- ... Metaltelin?
(a) If Reuven picks up Shimon's purse on Shabbos and walks out into the
street with it, he is liable to pay.
What does the Tana of the Beraisa say
in a case where he dragged the purse into the street? Why the difference?
(b) How can one acquire with Meshichah in the Reshus ha'Rabim?
(c) What did Rav Ada bar Ahavah ask Abaye on Rav Chisda from this Beraisa?
(a) On what grounds did Rav Ada bar Ahavah object when Abaye replied that
the Tana speaks when he is pulling the purse by a string?
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(b) So how did Abaye finally establish the Beraisa?
(c) How does Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak explain the Beraisa that we discussed
earlier, which specifically states 'bi'Reshus Mocher Lo Kanah ad
she'Yagbihenah O ad she'Yotzi'enah me'Reshuso', implying that an object that
can be acquired with Hagbahah, can also be acquired with Meshichah?
(a) We learned in our Mishnah 'ha'Mocher Peiros la'Chavero, Mashach ve'Lo
What does the Tana say there about someone who buys flax?
(b) How do we initially explain the difference between the Reisha and the
(c) Why might even Rav, who validates a minimal Meshichah by a ship, concede
in this case that flax will need to be moved its full length in order to
(a) How do we explain the difference between the Reisha and the Seifa, after
establishing the Reisha by large (heavy) bundles, in order to conform with
Rav Chisda? Why is this not possible by flax?
(b) How does Rabeinu Chananel explain 'Sha'ani Pishtan, de'Mishtamit'? What
makes the flax slip?
(c) According to the Mishnah in Kidushin, a large animal is acquired through
Mesirah, and a small one, in the opinion of Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Shimon ben
Elazar, through Hagbahah.
What do the Chachamim say about acquiring a
(d) How will Rav Chisda explain the Chachamim's opinion, seeing as it is
possible to acquire a small animal with Hagbahah?
(e) How does Rabeinu Chananel interpret 'Sha'ani Beheimah de'Sarcha'?
(a) Rav and Shmuel both rule that if Reuven sells Shimon 'a Kur of wheat for
thirty Sela', Shimon can retract right up to the time that the last grain
has been measured.
Will this apply even if the wheat is being measured in
Shimon's receptacles and in his field, and he already made a Meshichah on
(b) Then how will we establish our Mishnah 'Mashach ve'Lo Madad, Kanah'?
(c) Under which circumstances do Rav and Shmuel specifically state that
Shimon cannot retract? What would Reuven have had to add to his contract to
(a) We learned earlier in the Beraisa 'Im Haysah ha'Midah shel Achad Meihen,
Rishon Rishon Kanah'.
How do we know that the Tana is speaking even if the
current measure is not full?
(b) What is then the Kashya on Rav and Shmuel? Why is there even more reason
to acquire in the first of their two cases than there is in the case in the
(a) We answer the Kashya by quoting Rav Kahana.
What did Rav Kahana say
about the Hin measure in the Beis Hamikdash?
(b) What did the markings signify?
(c) If the Beraisa too, speaks when the Kur measure had thirty markings on
it, determining the sale of each Sa'ah in the Seifa (where the measure
belongs to the seller or the purchaser), then why does the purchaser not
acquire the number of Sa'in indicated by the markings in the Reisha (when
the measure is a borrowed one) too?
(a) Why can the Kashya on Rav and Shmuel not be from the Seifa de'Seifa
'bi'Reshus Loke'ach Keivan she'Kibel Alav Mocher, Kanah Loke'ach', as some
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(b) Why would the answer not fit either?