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BAVA BASRA 14 & 15 - anonymously dedicated by an Ohev Torah and Marbitz
Torah in Ramat Beit Shemesh, Israel.
1) WHO WROTE THE SEFORIM
(a) Question: Who wrote Torah, the prophets and Kesuvim?
2) WHEN DID IYOV LIVE?
(b) Answer: Moshe wrote the Torah, including the Parshah of
Bilam, and Sefer Iyov;
1. Yehoshua wrote Sefer Yehoshua and the last eight
verses of the Torah;
(c) (Beraisa): Yehoshua wrote Sefer Yehoshua and the last
eight verses of the Torah.
2. Shmuel wrote Sefer Shmuel, Shoftim and Rus;
3. David and ten other Chachamim wrote Tehilim: Adam,
Malki Tzedek (Shem), Avraham, Moshe, Heiman,
Yedusun, Asaf, and Korach's three sons.
4. Yirmeyah wrote Sefer Yirmeyah, Melachim and Eichah;
5. Chizkiyah and his contemporaries wrote Yeshayah,
Mishlei, Shir ha'Shirim and Koheles;
6. The men of the Great Assembly wrote Yechezkeil, the
12, Daniel and Megilas Esther;
7. Ezra wrote Sefer Ezra, and the lineage at the
beginning of Divrei ha'Yamim until himself (Rashi;
Tosfos - until the verse "V'Lo Achim Benei
i. This supports Rav, who said that Ezra did not
leave Bavel until he established his own
8. Question: Who finished Divrei ha'Yamim?
9. Answer: Nechemyah.
(d) Tana'im argue whether Moshe or Yehoshua wrote the last
1. (Beraisa - R. Yehudah): "Va'Yamas Sham Moshe" -
Moshe could not have written this!
(e) Question: As whom is the following teaching?
i. Rather, Moshe wrote until here, Yehoshua wrote
2. R. Nechemyah: R. Shimon objected - we cannot say
that Moshe did not finish the Torah - "Lako'ach Es
Sefer ha'Torah ha'Zeh"!
i. Rather, until here, Hash-m dictated the Torah
and Moshe wrote;
ii. These last eight verses, Hash-m dictated and
Moshe wrote b'Dema (with tears; some say, he
wrote the letters unarranged).
iii. We find that Hash-m dictated to other prophets
- "Yikra Elai...va'Ani Kosev".
1. (R. Yehoshua bar Aba): One person reads the last
eight verses (i.e. we do not split the reading among
(f) Answer: No, it is even as R. Shimon;
2. Suggestion: It is not R. Shimon - he holds that
Moshe wrote them, they are the same as the rest of
1. He admits that Moshe wrote them differently,
therefore they have a special status.
(g) Question: How can we say that Yehoshua wrote Sefer
Yehoshua - it says, "Va'Yamas Yehoshua"!
(h) Answer: Elazar finished it.
(i) Question: But it says, "V'Elazar ben Aharon Mes"!
(j) Answer: Pinchas finished it.
(k) Question: How can we say that Shmuel wrote Sefer Shmuel -
it says, "U'Shmuel Mes"!
(l) Answer: Gad and Nasan finished it.
(m) (Beraisa): David and ten other Chachamim wrote Tehilim.
(n) Question: We should also include Eisan ha'Ezrachi (the
author of Tehilim 89)!
(o) Answer: That is Avraham - "Mi He'ir mi'Mizrach".
(p) Question: The Beraisa counts Moshe and Heiman - but Rav
said that Heiman is Moshe - "B'Chol Beisi Ne'eman Hu"!
(q) Answer: Moshe is Heiman, but Heiman ha'Ezrachi (the
author of Tehilim 88) is someone else.
(a) (Beraisa): Moshe wrote the Torah, including the Parshah
of Bilam, and Sefer Iyov.
(b) This supports Rav Levi bar Lachma.
1. (Rav Levi bar Lachma): Iyov lived in Moshe's day -
it says "Mi Yiten Efo", similar to what Moshe said,
"Uba'Meh Yivada Efo".
(c) (Rava): Iyov was in the days of the spies - it says
"B'Eretz Utz", similar to "Ha'Yesh Bah Etz".
2. Question: Why not say that he lived in the time of
Yitzchak ("Mi Efo") or Yakov ("Efo Zos Asu") or
Yosef ("Eifo Hem Ro'im")?!
3. Answer: It also says in Iyov, "...V'Yuchaku" - Moshe
is called Mechokek.
(d) Objection: 'Utz' and 'Etz' are different!
(e) Answer: Moshe asked the spies to see if the one (Iyov)
whose years are great as a tree and protects his
generation as a tree is still alive.
(f) (A Chacham): Iyov never lived, Sefer Iyov is only a
(g) Rejection (Rav Shmuel bar Nachmani): "Ish Hayah" - he did
1. Question: But "Kivsah Achas...va'Ychayeha" was only
(h) (R. Yochanan and R. Elazar): Iyov returned with the
exiles from Bavel, his Beis Medrash was in Tiverya.
2. Answer: If Iyov was only a parable, it would not
give his name and his city's name.
(i) Question (Beraisa): Iyov lived from when Yisrael
descended to Miztrayim until they left.
(j) Answer: It means, Iyov lived as long as the time from
when Yisrael descended to Miztrayim until they left (210
3) THE GREATNESS OF IYOV
(k) Question (Beraisa): Seven prophets from other nations
prophesized: Bilam and his father, Iyov, Elifaz
ha'Temani, Bildad ha'Shuchi, Tzufar ha'Na'amasi, and
Elihu ben Barach'el (this shows, Iyov was not a Yisrael)!
1. Counter-question: If so, Elihu ben Barach'el also
was not a Yisrael - but it says, he was from the
family of Ram (i.e. Avraham; alternatively - the
verse would not give the lineage of a Nochri)!
(l) Answer (to both questions): Rather, the Beraisa lists
seven prophets that prophesized to the other nations.
(m) Question: All the prophets prophesized for all the
(n) Answer: Regarding these seven, their prophecies were
primarily for the other nations.
(o) Question (Beraisa): There was a Chasid of the other
nations; he only came to the world to get his reward;
1. Hash-m brought punishments upon him; he blasphemed,
so Hash-m doubled his reward in this world to
deprive him of his reward in the world to come.
(p) Answer: Tana'im argue whether or not he was a Yisrael.
1. (Beraisa - R. Eliezer): Iyov was in the days of the
(q) (R. Yochanan): The generation of Iyov were steeped in
i. It says "Hevel Tehavlu" - this is the
generation which judged its judges.
2. R. Yehoshua ben Korchah says, he was in the days of
Achashverosh - "V'Lo Nimzta Nashim Yafos..b'Chol
i. In Achashverosh's day they sought the most
3. R. Noson says, he was in the days of Malkas Sheva -
ii. Question: They also did in David's day!
iii. Answer: Then, they only searched in Eretz
Yisrael, not in the whole world.
4. Chachamim say, he was in the days of Kasdim
(Babylonians, i.e. Nebuchadnetzar) -
5. Some say, he was in the days of Yakov, and married
i. It says "K'Daber Achas ha'Nevalos", similar to
"Nevalah Asah b'Yisrael" said regarding Dinah.
6. All the opinions except the last must hold that Iyov
was a Yisrael, since they say that he lived after
i. Moshe requested that Hash-m not give prophecy
to Nochrim, and Hash-m agreed -
1. It says "Kulechem Chazisem", similar to "V'Nechezeh
Bach" (looking at a woman).
(r) (R. Yochanan): "Bi'Mei Shefot ha'Shoftim" - a generation
which judged its judges;
2. Suggestion: Perhaps it means to see prophetically -
3. Rejection: (The verse continues) "Hevel Tehbalu".
1. If a judge would rebuke someone for a small
transgression, the person would rebuke the judge for
a great transgression.
(s) (Rav Shmuel bar Nachmani): Malkas Sheva was not a woman,
rather it is the kingdom of Sheva.
(a) "Va'Ya'an ha'Satan" - the Satan told Hash-m that he did
not see anyone in the world as faithful as Avraham;
1. Even though Hash-m told Avraham that he will give
him Eretz Yisrael, and Avraham could not find a
burial place for Sarah until he paid 400 Shekalim,
he did not resent this.
(b) Hash-m told the Satan to consider Iyov.
(c) (R. Yochanan): The verse praises Iyov more than Avraham!
1. Regarding Avraham it says "Yerei Elokim"; regarding
Iyov it says "Ish Tam v'Yashar Yerei Elokim v'Sar
(d) Question: "The Satan answered...Ma'ase Yadav Berachta" -
what does this mean?
2. Question: What does it mean "v'Sar me'Ra"?
3. Answer (R. Aba bar Shmuel): He was easygoing with
i. Normally, if a person owes someone half a
Perutah (the smallest coin is a Perutah), he
buys something for a Perutah and shares it with
him; Iyov would give the full Perutah.
(e) Answer (Rav Shmuel bar Rav Yitzchak): Anyone who received
a Perutah from Iyov was blessed.
(f) Question: What does it mean "U'Miknehu Paratz ba'Aretz"?
(g) Answer (R. Yosi b'Rebbi Chanina): Iyov's flock
1. Normally, wolves kill goats; Iyov's flock killed
(h) The Satan thought that if Iyov's prosperity ceased, he
would blaspheme; Hash-m authorized the Satan to do as he
wishes to it.
(i) Question: "The cattle were plowing and the donkeys were
grazing Al Yedeihem" - what does this mean?
(j) Answer (R. Yochanan): (The fodder grew instantly,) Hash-m
gave Iyov a taste of the world to come.