ANSWERS TO REVIEW QUESTIONS
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
Previous daf Avodah Zarah 57
(a) When a Nochri in Biram was descending a palm-tree brandishing a Lulav -
he inadvertently touched some wine with the Lulav.
(b) Rav ruled there - that the wine could be sold to Nochrim.
(c) When Rav Kahana and Rav Asi queried Rav from his own ruling, forbidding
wine that is touched by a day-old Nochri (who certainly did not touch it
intentionally), he replied - that he only forbade drinking the wine, but not
be'Hana'ah (as they had assumed).
(a) An Eved Cana'ani whom one purchased from a Nochri, who subsequently
performed Milah but not Tevilah - remains a Nochri.
(b) In discussing their Halachos, the Beraisa equates B'nei ha'Shefachos
with them, to teach us that - even though they grew up in the house of a
Yisrael, they still require Milah and Tevilah.
(c) We are forced to say that the mothers of the latter group had not
Toveled - because if they had, their children would have been Geirim
automatically, and would not have required Tevilah.
(a) The Beraisa cites two opinions whether the spittle of these Avadim and
whatever they sat on in the street is Tamei or Tahor. The significance of
the word 'ba'Shuk'(in the street) - is that whereas the Tum'ah under
discussion is only a Safek in their private domain, it is Vaday (due to
Takanas Chachamim who decreed Tum'as Zav on all Nochrim) in the street.
(b) The reason of the opinion that holds Tahor is - because Avadim who have
had Milah but not Tevilah are rare, and we have a principle that whenever
something is unusual, Chazal did not decree on it.
(c) The Tana then says - that whether the wine that they touch is Yayin
Nesech or not, will depend on whether they are Gedolim or Ketanim.
(d) The Tana defines 'Gedolim' - as big enough to understand what it means
to worship idols, and Ketanim' - as too small to grasp it.
(a) We query Rav from the Din of Ketanim in the Beraisa - on the
understanding that the distinction between Gedolim and Ketanim pertains to
Avadim that one purchased from Nochrim as well as to the B'nei ha'Shefachos.
(b) We answer that in fact, it pertains exclusively to the B'nei
ha'Shefachos (for the reason that we explained earlier).
(c) And 've'Chein' (equating the two cases) - pertains to 'Rokan u'Medrasan
ba'Shuk, Tamei' (but not to 'Yeinan').
(d) The problem with this according to the opinion that their spittle and
what they sat on is Tahor - is that if by Avadim, these are Tahor, then it
goes without saying that they are Tahor by B'nei Shefachos. So why did the
Tana find it necessary to mention them (or it ought to have said 'Avadim
she'Malu ve'Lo Tavlu, Rokan Tahor; B'nei Shefachos she'Malu ve'Lo Tavlu,
Yeinam, Gedolim ... ').
(a) According to them, 've'Chein' comes (for the inference) to compare
Avadim that one purchased from a Nochri to B'nei ha'Shefachos, there where
they performed both Milah and Tevilah, to teach us that the former, like the
latter, do not render wine that they touched Asur.
(b) Otherwise, we might have thought that, seeing as they were brought up as
Nochrim and among Nochrim, we suspect them of making Yayin Nesech even after
they become Geirim.
(c) This comes to preclude the opinion of Rav Nachman Amar Shmuel - who
rules that Avadim whom one bought from a Nochri, and who had already made
Milah and Tevilah, continue to render the wine that they touch, Asur, until
such time as Avodah-Zarah is no longer on their lips.
(d) Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi translates this into a time period of - twelve
(a) Rava asked Rav Nachman (with regard to Shmuel's ruling, declaring the
wine of Nochrim Nesech even after they have performed Milah and Tevilah)
from the same Beraisa that we have just been discussing. The Tana, which
forbade the Avadim's wine, specifically stated 'Malu ve'Lo Tavlu' - implying
that in a case of Malu ve'Tavlu, the wine would be permitted.
(b) To answer the Kashya, Rav Nachman establishes 'Malu ve'Lo Tavlu' - by
the B'nei ha'Shefachos (but the wine of Avadim that he purchased from
Nochrim, was Asur even by Malu ve'Tavlu [see also Tosfos DH 'Tirg'ma', and
(c) He explained 've'Chein B'nei ha'Shefachos' - to refer to the Din of
(d) According to the opinion that holds 'Tahor', he explained 've'Chein ...
' to mean 'Avadim Dumya di'B'nei Shefachos', meaning - that just as there,
Gedolim render wine that they touch, Nesech, but not Ketanim, so too, do
Avadim that one purchased from a Nochri, to preclude ...
(e) ... the opinion of Rav, who holds that even a one-day old baby makes
(a) When a certain Nochri asked a Jewish storekeeper whether he had any wine
in stock, and he replied in the negative - the Nochri placed his hand inside
a bucket of wine, and asked whether that was not wine.
(b) The Yisrael react reacted angrily - by picking up the bucket and
emptying its contents into a barrel.
(c) Rava permitted selling the barrel of wine to a Nochri.
(d) Rav Huna bar Chin'na and Huna bar Rav Nachman disagreed. So - Rava's men
blew Shofros to announce that the wine was permitted be'Hana'ah, and Rav
Huna bar Chin'na and Rav Huna bar Nasan's men blew Shofros to announce that
it was Asur.